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BuggyG 10-12-2002 06:24 PM

underage
 
Quote:

Originally posted by breaker
Underage "kids" shouldn't be allowed to pose sexy on the net i think but damn i'm i the only one who thinks the first girl in the article looked hot for a 13year old.. damn i feel a bit sick and worried.

There will be an program about this on swedish tv tomorrow. About the largest teenage community site in sweden where teens have their sexy photos and make connections with others to have sex etc.

Ok I forgot who wrote it in their post, but have to agree with it. UNDERAGE kids as you say so too, should not be be allowed to show their stuff. Ok, some miight look older then they are but the bottom line is...they still UNDERAGE. Which in my book, all comes down to being a pedophile. I mean like it or not, they still KIDS.!!! And that is somethign I never did understand and will always be against. The exploitation of minors.

Ok...sorry for the rant there. But had to get out. I feel much better now. WOOHOO!! :hippy:


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Evil Chris 10-12-2002 10:01 PM

My feelings on all of this "non-nude" stuff are still developing, as I believe the feelings of a lot of people out there.

Those underage model sites are legal. We don't have to like them, but there they are. It's like a lot of free speech in society. Some things we don't like and so we don't have to listen, but it's still legal. Parents making these kinds of decisions for their children are being irresponsible.

The what bothers me to no end is the (typically anonymous) webmaster who will create underage non-nude sites in an attempt to lure in pedophiles and then upsell them to legal teen sites.

Izzy 09-24-2003 09:08 PM

I AM EXTREMELY TRAUMATIZED!!!!!!


MY OWN DAMN FAULT, I SHOULDN'T HAVE LOOKED BUT I DID!!!!!

THAT'S JUST WRONG AND I HOPE THE PERSON WHO MADE THAT SITE AND IF THERE ARE ANYMORE PEOPLE WITH SITES JUST LIKE THAT, I HOPE THEY 1. THROW THEIRSELVES OUT IN TRAFFIC OR GET SHOT TO DEATH!!!! PLEEEEEEZ!!!!!!!! THAT IS JUST SICK AND TWISTED AND FUCKED UP!!!!!!!!! JESUS CHRIST I SAW A 7 YR. OLD!!!!!!!! ANY AGE IS NASTY BUT 7 AND 9 OMG OMG HOW HORRIBLE!!!!


AND JUST BECUZ SOME OF THE 12 YR. OLDS LOOK 21 DOES NOT MAKE ANY OF THAT SICK SHIT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!


NASTY FUCKING BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Izzy:bad mood:

Panky 09-24-2003 09:59 PM

Oh my EC! What did you start? I leave the board for a few hours and this thread is already on page 3! I definitely have to read this article.


I must say this though... I'm proud of the XNations members who have contributed to this thread!<img src="http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/9/biggthum.gif" width="33" height="15"> You are soooo kewl! You have taken a very controversial topic and have managed to discuss things like adults! You, the members are why XNations is soooo kewl!

I admit when I read EC's introductory post and saw some replies, I thought "Oh no. This could get ugly." But you ladies and gentleman are adults who have actually responded like educated, professional adults! That's rare on some msg. boards! <img src="http://www.adultisubmit4u.com/Smile/grinning-smiley-002.gif" width="49" height="19">

Mpegmaster 09-24-2003 10:13 PM

Well i say Burn the sites Down!
 
Whatever people argue about this being legal and stuff....i dont think its Right!

7 Year and 8 year old girls posing in Bikini's on the Net!...It might affect their Life in wierd way!

We know a lot of Sadastic bastards who live out there....what if One idiot sees his Neighbour's daughters pic on the net posing in a bikini.....and does something wrong! I guess thats more the worry the parents of the girls will be concerned!


Anyway this thread made me sick early in the mornin.....and i dont think i will come to the board for sometime now! :(

Evil Chris 09-25-2003 09:13 AM

Panky, this thread is months old! Still a hot topic though...

dyonisus 09-25-2003 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aly-Python
Mapplethorpe was indeed controversial in his actions, and purposefully so, I imagine. He was, however, pushing the envelope on nudity and art, not sexuality. Kids, clothed or unclothed, presented in a non-sexual way can be art or advertising or whatever. Pics of kids, clothed or unclothed, or even in their bloody snowsuits, that are used in a sexual context cross the line. It's a matter of context.
I think this is a solid description of the lines and where boundaries get crossed. Unfortunately there are scumbags out there who will exploit and utilize any means to the end, whatever the end may be...

As people who have active careers in a sexuality based industry it is almost our duty to protect our industry from the kind of people who would be involved in any way with this type of shit!

Panky 09-25-2003 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Chris
Panky, this thread is months old! Still a hot topic though...
OMG! LOL! Serious? I never even noticed! :bonk:

666 03-29-2006 11:58 AM

revenge
 
this may be changeing the subject.........but i have stood quite in this world for long... allready in the end all of you will end up dead .. what all of scumbags did to my people is nothing compared to what im going to do to all of you / i will see all of you in three months untill then..

MorganGrayson 03-29-2006 12:19 PM

I skipped to the end of this rather long thread after reading most of the first page.

DrGuile pretty much said it all, succinctly and well.

Back in the day, another webmaster and I began a dedicated attempt to assist in the fight against cp. He hunted down some members of law enforcement, explained we were adult linkmasters and in a particularly unique position to help, because all we had to do was sit here and the shit was submitted to us. Well, said law enforcement agent went happily berserk, contacted his supervisor - who also went happily berserk - until the suggestion worked far enough up the food chain and we were told to merely submit the urls to customs. In other words, we got shut down.

It was a learning experience in many ways.

I learned that many disgusting sites aimed at pedophiles were in fact quite legal. That didn't make them moral, just legal. The wide gap between legality and morality is something of which I had long been aware.

However...and this is one big, screaming "however"...using sites that are "legal" in and of themselves to "upsell" to porn can't be. It just can't be. (OK, I'm shaking and screaming and may be wrong, but I'm going to keep shaking and screaming.)

If you read the TOS of every legitimate sponsor out there - note to new webmasters: READ THE TOS (Terms of Service or simply, the rules) - they mention how fast you WILL NOT BE PAID if you screw around like that.

I'm working on a new linksite, and was considering a "nonnude" category, because I think clothed people are sexy. However, in my innocence, I was thinking of some of the content that I already own - a lovely black woman, mid-20's or more, in white lace, nonnude. Very sexy stuff, but she's a grown-up for heaven's sake. Will including a nonnude category get me submissions of children wearing clothing? I do not believe I will be able to cope with that.

There's an old Irish saying that my mother was fond of: "dirty money brings a curse." That's how she explained the Kennedy family's tendency to get bombed with assassinations, etc. Their original fortune came from liquor, which was considered "dirty money" back in the day. (My Mom had a lot of these.) Well, I like money and I'm willing to bend a lot more rules than I used to be willing to bend. Life does that. However, I still believe that "dirty money brings a curse." Anything made off exploiting a child is the ultimate in dirty money...and I hope the curse hits these people hard and fast.

Nice thread topic, Chris. Good to see so many angry on this topic.

The feeling of helplessness sucks, though.

pushpills 03-29-2006 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Chris
I have no clue what goes on in the mind of pedophiles
sure ya do ;)

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I agree that pushing xxx sites with 13yr old model stuff is kinda messed up, but so is just having the 9 - 13yr old etc model sites themselves. Don't the parents have to sign a release or something?

MorganGrayson 03-29-2006 07:00 PM

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Originally posted by pushpills
sure ya do ;)

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I agree that pushing xxx sites with 13yr old model stuff is kinda messed up, but so is just having the 9 - 13yr old etc model sites themselves. Don't the parents have to sign a release or something?

Any kid with a digital and half-assed html skills can build their own website and learn fast how to make money from it. And, sad to say, so can their parents.

There was something on the news way back about *parents* who had a site for their kid...little one, too...and didn't see anything wrong with it. She had "fans," you see, certainly not perverts...the parents were the totally sick ones, and it was all legal. As long as the "model" was dressed and covered, it didn't matter *how* she was dressed, how much makeup she wore, or whether or not she was bouncing on her own bed.

Hi, Lee Noga! LTNS! http://www.porn-sex-adult-xxx.com/smilies/wavey.gif
Still remember that wonderful dinner! :)

I was raised by Irish Catholic parents who managed to keep sex a well-guarded secret from me. I vowed - with my husband - not to do the same with our own kids. I had the first "masturbation talk" with my daughter when she was four. (Bless you, Parent's Magazine, who told me how to do it without scarring the kid for life.) I dragged the two year old along hoping something would sink in. (It did, too, she still remembers it.) I always said "we can talk about *anything,* and we did...even if Mommy had to take a rather deep breath first. The time my middle kid (high school age) plopped down in a chair, rested her chin on her hand and said "explain anal sex to me" took two deep breaths...but I explained it to her. (What the fuck would those other parents advise? Let some horny teenager explain it to her the difficult way? The painful, damaging, ruin-her-for-life way? Oh, sure, they'd say "tell her never to do it." Like "don't do that" has *ever* worked on a teenager about *anything.* Cave parents were trying that one and it didn't work THEN.)

To Ounique...I took care of a lot of my own kid's gay friends. They got the simple things ("I'm proud of you," "you're a great kid," "way to go on that math test!," etc. from me and my husband rather than their own parents. My surrogate son, who was a great drag princess, got "Father and son time" out in the driveway under the hood of our car, just like fathers and sons have done since time immemorial. My husband didn't even blink the first time Steven walked into his room as a boy and walked back out as a girl.

I can't even get my head around rejecting your own kids because of their sexuality.

Nickatilynx 03-29-2006 09:11 PM

umm 666 , why did you bump a 3 yr old thrread?

And Moragan why are you saying "hi" to people who haven't posted here in three years?

;-)))

MorganGrayson 03-29-2006 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx
umm 666 , why did you bump a 3 yr old thrread?

And Moragan why are you saying "hi" to people who haven't posted here in three years?

;-)))

Well...ya see...I have a long standing habit of never reading the dates on posts. It's actually more of a flaw. One could even say...stupidity.

But it's long standing so I guess I'd better get used to it. :(

MorganGrayson 03-29-2006 09:26 PM

I just went back and read the dates on the posts. *sigh* :blush:

xxxmalouxxx 03-30-2006 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
any monetary exploitation of minor's sexuality is wrong in my book.

no gray area, no non-nude is okay. If your trying to make money of minors and pedophile, you're a scumbag.

well said

qwebecexpo 03-31-2006 05:11 PM

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Originally posted by Cathedra I'm curious is anyone in the up and up of the US government knows of this site. [/b]
They sure do, but even if this is 'IMMORAL' it is unfortunatelly not 'ILLEGAL'...

But I think this is just plain wrong....

MorganGrayson 03-31-2006 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by qwebecexpo
They sure do, but even if this is 'IMMORAL' it is unfortunatelly not 'ILLEGAL'...

But I think this is just plain wrong....

Sadly, "immoral" is in the eye of the beholder, while "illegal" is in questionable black and white.

We also live in an amazingly hypocritical society that blazes the arrest of those involved in cp across the nightly news that is interrupted by commercials that blatantly sell the sexuality of the young. Check out the clothing that's sold for the young. The music videos. The list goes on.

I had two rules for my kid's clothing. "Clean" and "COVERED." My Goth kids went to school with little Buffy-types who had their ass cheeks hanging out of their short-shorts, which also showed their navels because the tops were cut off short, too.

Who got in trouble for how they dressed? My kids, covered from the neck to the ankles in black.

Nickatilynx 03-31-2006 06:33 PM

I know I'm the one who coined the phrase

"You have the morals you can afford" , back in the day.

AND

Burned Morgan for bumping an old thread and talking to people who haven't posted in years ,

BUT

I would not touch the non-nude underage teen market.

Or , maybe , I have too much money.

Nawww...just getting soft in my old age.

:)

MorganGrayson 03-31-2006 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nickatilynx
I know I'm the one who coined the phrase

"You have the morals you can afford" , back in the day.

AND

Burned Morgan for bumping an old thread and talking to people who haven't posted in years ,

BUT

I would not touch the non-nude underage teen market.

Or , maybe , I have too much money.

Nawww...just getting soft in my old age.

:)

Oh, pshaw. Your morals have *always* been able to afford this one, Nick. :)

Nickatilynx 03-31-2006 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MorganGrayson
Oh, pshaw. Your morals have *always* been able to afford this one, Nick. :)
True.

:)


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