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johnny1 06-08-2006 03:12 PM
which affiliate programs submit there FHG's
 
I need daily submissions to my tgp.
I know I Know I'm lazy!!
which programs offer this service of submiting FHG .. Thx

Bec 06-09-2006 11:13 AM
That goes a bit beyond lazy. Sitting down and doing gallery submits all day long FOR my affiliates makes no sense what-so-ever. Where's the incentive for ME to make YOU all that cash??

If I'm going to do the work involved for tgp submits, I'll do it for my own sites and take all the $$ from sales, and not split my profit with an affiliate. The reason you get the opportunity to make some bling is because you're out there doing some of the promo work, not me. :doh:

qwebecexpo 06-09-2006 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Bec
That goes a bit beyond lazy. Sitting down and doing gallery submits all day long FOR my affiliates makes no sense what-so-ever. Where's the incentive for ME to make YOU all that cash??

If I'm going to do the work involved for tgp submits, I'll do it for my own sites and take all the $$ from sales, and not split my profit with an affiliate. The reason you get the opportunity to make some bling is because you're out there doing some of the promo work, not me. :doh:
Godd point :happy:

canadian4life 06-09-2006 02:49 PM
what kinda traffic do you want tho?

pawsregd 06-09-2006 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Bec
That goes a bit beyond lazy. Sitting down and doing gallery submits all day long FOR my affiliates makes no sense what-so-ever. Where's the incentive for ME to make YOU all that cash??
Because maybe these affiliates that ask for this service have awesome traffic that converts and that is why most programs will submit for affiliates.

Panky 06-09-2006 05:44 PM
Why would they submit FHG's? FHG's are not designed to be submitted. They were meant for site owners to plug into their own sites, not to be submitted to other sites. Why would a site list someone elses FHG with that persons ID code in it, when they can just list that same FHG with their own ID code in it?

If you need daily submissions to your TGP, open it for submits and tell everyone, and add it to programs like Chameleon, Advanced Submitter, Dream Submitter, ... You'll get a lot of submissions rather quickly.

pawsregd 06-09-2006 06:01 PM
Panky, you're missing the point. He doesn't want to be flooded with someone else's submissions. He wants programs to submit their FHGs with his affiliate codes on them so he can make the sales from them.

Now you're going to ask why would they do that? Why wouldn't they just submit the galls with their own codes on them? Well, as I already explained...maybe his traffic is good and they wouldn't be able to submit there any other way so this is why it makes sense for programs to submit to sites with their affiliates codes on them.

Bec 06-09-2006 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pawsregd
Panky, you're missing the point. He doesn't want to be flooded with someone else's submissions. He wants programs to submit their FHGs with his affiliate codes on them so he can make the sales from them.

Now you're going to ask why would they do that? Why wouldn't they just submit the galls with their own codes on them? Well, as I already explained...maybe his traffic is good and they wouldn't be able to submit there any other way so this is why it makes sense for programs to submit to sites with their affiliates codes on them.
I'm not following this line of reasoning. Any tgp site that has that kind of traffic has to be using software that accepts submits, even if they've restricted it to partner accounts only. To change up and state "I'll let you submit if the gallery has MY id code on it .. ???" ... maybe I've been hiding in the gay bushes (boards) too long, but this really is the first I've heard of this. Perhaps you can share a more defined illustration of this put to practice?

pawsregd 06-09-2006 08:56 PM
Wow, I thought my explanation was pretty self explanatory.

Program owners/affiliate reps are always looking for those "big fish" or "whales" who can bring in big amounts of sales on a consistant basis. So let's say Johnny owns a TGP that gets 2 million uniques/day and sends 10 million hits to galleries/day. Now Johnny runs that site comletely or even partially with FHGs which he loads in everyday from the various sponsor programs that he uses. Now he figures I'm lazy or I don't have the time I use to or why not make the sponsors work a little harder for all the money I am making them. So he now gets the programs to submit their FHGs with his affiliate codes on them. So you ask again "but why would they submit for him"? Because he is making them a lot of money and they want to keep him happy and keep their FHGs on his site so they go the extra mile and submit the galls for him. If they say screw you do it yourself, he says well screw you I will send my traffic to another sponsor that is willing to do it.

Capiche?

Bec 06-09-2006 09:51 PM
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Now he figures I'm lazy or I don't have the time I use to or why not make the sponsors work a little harder for all the money I am making them. So he now gets the programs to submit their FHGs with his affiliate codes on them. So you ask again "but why would they submit for him"? Because he is making them a lot of money and they want to keep him happy and keep their FHGs on his site so they go the extra mile and submit the galls for him. If they say screw you do it yourself, he says well screw you I will send my traffic to another sponsor that is willing to do it.
I capiched in the first post - I just don't understand any tgp owner thinking a sponsor needs to "work a little harder" ... obviously they've never setup a cash program ... most of those I know that are running programs gave up sleep several months prior to launching.

Panky 06-09-2006 10:09 PM
It's real simple. Sign up to a bunch of affiliate programs. Load the FHG's with your ID code in them into your script. The TGP script will pull FHG's from the pile and plug them into your site at whatever setttings you set for an update. Bingo! You've got FHG's on your site automatically. It's called a fake TGP. This is how they are built.

Why would a site owner who has good quality traffic and lots of it, give up spots to the sponsors? If anything, they will charge for spots, charge for advertising, use their own galleries, and/or fill prime spots with FHG's that contain their ID code in them.

Yes, there are sponsors who do submit galleries on behalf of their affiliates. They either submit to a random list, and/or they work out a deal with the site owner. These galleries are not always FHG galleries either. If they were FHG's, what incentive would the site owner have to list them?

The site owner would be really foolish to list FHG's that contain someone elses ID code in them when the site owner can just join the sponsor, log into the affiliate area, download a bunch of galleries and import them into the script. It doesn't get any easier than that.

If the site owner is too lazy to import galleries once a week into a script, then that site owner has some serious issues.

Panky 06-09-2006 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by pawsregd
Wow, I thought my explanation was pretty self explanatory.

Program owners/affiliate reps are always looking for those "big fish" or "whales" who can bring in big amounts of sales on a consistant basis. So let's say Johnny owns a TGP that gets 2 million uniques/day and sends 10 million hits to galleries/day. Now Johnny runs that site comletely or even partially with FHGs which he loads in everyday from the various sponsor programs that he uses. Now he figures I'm lazy or I don't have the time I use to or why not make the sponsors work a little harder for all the money I am making them. So he now gets the programs to submit their FHGs with his affiliate codes on them. So you ask again "but why would they submit for him"? Because he is making them a lot of money and they want to keep him happy and keep their FHGs on his site so they go the extra mile and submit the galls for him. If they say screw you do it yourself, he says well screw you I will send my traffic to another sponsor that is willing to do it.

Capiche?

The sponsor would not take the time out to submit daily FHG's that contain his ID in them when they could just email him a list once a week to plug into his script and/or they could just instruct him to log in to the affiliate area once a week and download the latest FHG's for him to import into his script. There is no need for them to manually go to his site each day, submit a gallery or two. Kind of really defeats the purpose of sending them by email and/or including them in the affiliate area for immediate download and import into a script. Sponsors spend a lot of money on those tools they provide. They aren't going to go and submit only to his site FHG's with his ID code in them. Would be a complete waste of time for the sponsor to do so. Whale or no whale. That's what one email a week is for.

pawsregd 06-09-2006 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Bec
... obviously they've never setup a cash program
Wrong again, see sig

pawsregd 06-09-2006 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Panky
It's real simple. Sign up to a bunch of affiliate programs. Load the FHG's with your ID code in them into your script. The TGP script will pull FHG's from the pile and plug them into your site at whatever setttings you set for an update. Bingo! You've got FHG's on your site automatically. It's called a fake TGP. This is how they are built.
This gets old fast for surfers and they do not come back

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Originally Posted by Panky
Why would a site owner who has good quality traffic and lots of it, give up spots to the sponsors? If anything, they will charge for spots, charge for advertising,....
Think about that one, I will not comment any further on this point

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Originally Posted by Panky
The site owner would be really foolish to list FHG's that contain someone elses ID code in them ..... It doesn't get any easier than that.
Sure it does, they have the programs they promote do it for them

pawsregd 06-09-2006 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Panky
The sponsor would not take the time out to submit daily FHG's that contain his ID in them when they could just email him a list once a week to plug into his script and/or they could just instruct him to log in to the affiliate area once a week and download the latest FHG's for him to import into his script. There is no need for them to manually go to his site each day, submit a gallery or two. Kind of really defeats the purpose of sending them by email and/or including them in the affiliate area for immediate download and import into a script. Sponsors spend a lot of money on those tools they provide. They aren't going to go and submit only to his site FHG's with his ID code in them. Would be a complete waste of time for the sponsor to do so. Whale or no whale. That's what one email a week is for.
It's the same concept as casinos. Why fly a whale in on a private jet and give them limo service and a luxury suite and tickets to any show they want and wait on them hand and foot when you can just send them an email and ask them to please come to your casino and make you money? Because it's all about establishing loyalty and retaining their business

Panky 06-09-2006 11:07 PM
Yes, Fake TGP sites can get old fast. Depends on how many sponsors they are using and how many updates the site does. To counter this, some webmasters will build sites using FHG's mixed in with submitted galleries and their own galleries.

Site owners charge for spots. They won't list sponsors FHG's with someone elses ID in them unless they are charging for the submit account and/or for the spot(s). There is no benefit to the site owner to do so otherwise. If they want variety in their sites, they can sign-up to all those sponsors themselves and list the galleries with their own ID code in so they get full credit for sales generated from their own traffic.

Panky 06-09-2006 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pawsregd
It's the same concept as casinos. Why fly a whale in on a private jet and give them limo service and a luxury suite and tickets to any show they want and wait on them hand and foot when you can just send them an email and ask them to please come to your casino and make you money? Because it's all about establishing loyalty and retaining their business
Sponsors cater to the whales in many ways. Many negotiate pay out rates, they fly them here and there, give them perks at shows or wherever, give them all kinds of gifts and gadgets to keep their business. Submitting a FHG or so to the site every day through their submit form is not a huge perk. The whale can just as easily receive an email once per week with all the FHG's offered by that sponsor for that week and plug them directly into the script. Takes a whole 2 minutes if that. Simple copy paste or direct import. Even the descriptions and thumbs are provided for them. The script randomly pulls the sites from the list throughout the whole week. The whale doesn't need to do squat to update their site.

Now if the sponsor is submitting regular galleries on behalf of their affiliates, that's a different story. They aren't just sumbitting to one site, they are submitting to quite a few, some may even have deals in place with the site owner. That's beneficial to the whale and other affiliates because a gallery or so with their ID code in them is submitted to a few other sites increasing potential exposure and sales. These galleries are not necessarily FHG's either. If they were, it defeats the purpose of the submit when the site owner can just list the same FHG with their ID code in it and get credit for the sale.

pawsregd 06-09-2006 11:25 PM
Well I guess I just can't explain it porperly so we'll just agree to disagree. But go ask many of the "big" programs why they submit FHGs to their affiliates sites, for their affiliates, with their affiliates codes on them. Maybe they can explain the whole point of doing it better then I can.

And think of this....if an affiliate asks program A and B if they could submit FHGs to their site with their links codes on them and program A says just login and get them yourself and program B says yes, no problem....who do you think the affiliate is going to send traffic to?


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