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Ronaldo · 08-12-2003, 02:59 AM

Well, well. Chris stirred the shitpot on this one.

I had the privledge, yes privledge, of shaking hands (although, from the shape he was in he probable doesn't remember) with AaronM in Miami.

I got into this business as a gallery builder and consider myself a "Professional" gallery builder. My next set of galleries WILL include 2257 info based on both AaronM's post's insistence and Cyndalie's summary of the roundtable I missed due to TOO much partying. That will cost me an extra 30 minutes or so to set it all up (bloody hell!).

Becaue I work for a content provider, I've kept quite abreast of the 2257 issue and sadly find myself in the minority (agreeing with AaronM) when if comes to this issue. It truly wasn't until Cynadie's article http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...703/page5.html that I seriously considered the personal ramifications.

I had the opportunity to meet Cyndalie in Miami and she is one of the most intelligent young ladies in our industry today. I took her comments carte blanche as I had and have no reason not to.

As for AaronM? Assume for a second that you're NOT a content provider. AaronM AS a content provider has taken the same stance as Xamo has for a LONG period of time. The industry's model's are TOO valuable to risk including personal information (ie. birth certificate, model release etc.) into any and all purchases. However, this information IS required as documentation under 2257 laws. AaronM IS losing business because of this. It MAY not be hurting him, but make no mistake, he IS losing business because of his stance on this issue. I know this because I personally have turned down 5 digit purchases in the past based on this issue alone. Our models, or, our industry's lifeblood, in exchange for for a dollar figure.

Where some, or most of you seem to misunderstand is to be 2257 compliant is to offer to "Proper governmental or law enforcement agencies (or challenging individuals able to supply documentation as required under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act)." This means that you INCLUDE on ANY site that provides adult content the appropriate Custodian of Records information. All reputable content providers will provide you with this information. They are taking their OWN business and reputation into account on this issue. If you have an issue with a particular model, ANY reputable content will reassure you with proper documentation. Those of us with a conscious however, will NOT hand over to you all model related information out of safely for our models.

I, as a "Professional" gallery builder, have come to terms with this issue and ONLY deal with companies that can ASSURE me that THEY have and HOLD the 2257 documents in question. Be wary of those that offer them to you at the drop of the hat because while they may aim to please you, photoshop is only a right click away.

To the best of MY information, Aaron is one of the last holdouts (Xamo capitulated a couple of months ago on this issue) in regards to supplying 2257 information to any and all webmasters purchasing content. Handing this information over to webmasters alone does NOT make one 2257 compliant. It ONLY reassures any webmasters that are, quite frankly, unsure of what the true nature of what 2257 means. This, imho, speaks volumes for Aaron's integrity (if not tact j/k). He is willing to LITERALLY throw business away to make YOU aware of YOUR obligations.

I hold this in VERY high regard.

Instead of attacking what AaronM has to say regarding this issue (not necessarily on this board), some of us should look a little deeper and assess our own businesses.

How many of YOU are willing to hand over money to ensure that OTHERS are following the letter of the law?

08-12-2003, 02:59 AM	#5
Ronaldo Ronaldo is only editing this because Chris is a jackass Xnations Voice of Reason Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,124 xBucks: 17,695	Well, well. Chris stirred the shitpot on this one. I had the privledge, yes privledge, of shaking hands (although, from the shape he was in he probable doesn't remember) with AaronM in Miami. I got into this business as a gallery builder and consider myself a "Professional" gallery builder. My next set of galleries WILL include 2257 info based on both AaronM's post's insistence and Cyndalie's summary of the roundtable I missed due to TOO much partying. That will cost me an extra 30 minutes or so to set it all up (bloody hell!). Becaue I work for a content provider, I've kept quite abreast of the 2257 issue and sadly find myself in the minority (agreeing with AaronM) when if comes to this issue. It truly wasn't until Cynadie's article http://ynotnews.ynotmasters.com/issu...703/page5.html that I seriously considered the personal ramifications. I had the opportunity to meet Cyndalie in Miami and she is one of the most intelligent young ladies in our industry today. I took her comments carte blanche as I had and have no reason not to. As for AaronM? Assume for a second that you're NOT a content provider. AaronM AS a content provider has taken the same stance as Xamo has for a LONG period of time. The industry's model's are TOO valuable to risk including personal information (ie. birth certificate, model release etc.) into any and all purchases. However, this information IS required as documentation under 2257 laws. AaronM IS losing business because of this. It MAY not be hurting him, but make no mistake, he IS losing business because of his stance on this issue. I know this because I personally have turned down 5 digit purchases in the past based on this issue alone. Our models, or, our industry's lifeblood, in exchange for for a dollar figure. Where some, or most of you seem to misunderstand is to be 2257 compliant is to offer to "Proper governmental or law enforcement agencies (or challenging individuals able to supply documentation as required under the Digital Millenium Copyright Act)." This means that you INCLUDE on ANY site that provides adult content the appropriate Custodian of Records information. All reputable content providers will provide you with this information. They are taking their OWN business and reputation into account on this issue. If you have an issue with a particular model, ANY reputable content will reassure you with proper documentation. Those of us with a conscious however, will NOT hand over to you all model related information out of safely for our models. I, as a "Professional" gallery builder, have come to terms with this issue and ONLY deal with companies that can ASSURE me that THEY have and HOLD the 2257 documents in question. Be wary of those that offer them to you at the drop of the hat because while they may aim to please you, photoshop is only a right click away. To the best of MY information, Aaron is one of the last holdouts (Xamo capitulated a couple of months ago on this issue) in regards to supplying 2257 information to any and all webmasters purchasing content. Handing this information over to webmasters alone does NOT make one 2257 compliant. It ONLY reassures any webmasters that are, quite frankly, unsure of what the true nature of what 2257 means. This, imho, speaks volumes for Aaron's integrity (if not tact j/k). He is willing to LITERALLY throw business away to make YOU aware of YOUR obligations. I hold this in VERY high regard. Instead of attacking what AaronM has to say regarding this issue (not necessarily on this board), some of us should look a little deeper and assess our own businesses. How many of YOU are willing to hand over money to ensure that OTHERS are following the letter of the law?