what does no-popups mean to you?

thruma · 08-22-2004, 05:11 PM

What does it mean when you see it listed in a TGPs rules?

I know what it means to me but I need some opinions from other people who submit.

1. the gallery page itself should have zero popups.

2. links on the gallery page should have zero popups.

Thanks for any response guys.

the New Shemp · 08-22-2004, 06:54 PM

traditionally that means no pops on the gallery. However, some TGPs may mean no pops on the tour that the gallery points to.
some tours have a lot of pops and consoles on the tours..even if you do get listed, you might not be too highup on the page

contact the tgp directly...

Gruntled · 08-22-2004, 09:05 PM

I'd say that most TGPs mean that there are no pop-ups on the gallery page.

"Clean" galleries also. non pop-ups, no dialers, no misleading links, etc etc.

thruma · 08-22-2004, 09:17 PM

The reason I'm asking is because I have a no popup rule for my TGP but I get a lot of people submitting with a popup on sponsor page anyway. It's very rare but it does sometimes happen on the gallery itself too.

With so many submissions having a popup on the sponsor page I guess people think a no popup rule means one on a sponsor page is okay.

Thanks for the responses guys.

Gruntled · 08-22-2004, 10:25 PM

The link they are using could be wrong. I always get my sponsor links with no console and no popups, but after a gallery has been up a while, sometimes the smaller sponsors will change the links, and I catch tour links with a console or pop-under. I wouldn't submit a new gallery to a TGP without knowing the links were correct, though.

Panky · 08-22-2004, 11:18 PM

If you have this rule for your TGP, then specify the rule for your site according to what you will accept. It's frustrating because many people do not bother to read the rules, but at least it is there and clearly stated.

When I submit, everything is pop free. No pop on the galleries, no pop on the tours. Nothing is left to question when you eliminate pops all together. Some sites will even specify no exit pops from the sponsors too.

Don Soporno · 08-23-2004, 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by the New Shemp
traditionally that means no pops on the gallery. However, some TGPs may mean no pops on the tour that the gallery points to.
some tours have a lot of pops and consoles on the tours..even if you do get listed, you might not be too highup on the page

contact the tgp directly...

your following me now and I demand that you stop it....;-)

Just a little suggestion on how to work those rules into your favor. Link your gallery to an FPA the you are hosting, then the gallery doesnt link to a page with popups the FPA does. Now keep in mind your still sending the SURFER to popup hell and you gotta ask yourself this, is that slight extra chance of a sale on the pop up which you may not even get credit for worth maybe driving the surfer away.

Just my way of looking at things. The paysite we have up now is pop up free and all the ones to come will be also with the exception of one small pop which will be an exit pop from the join page only if they dont join (not sure how I am gonna make it do that just yet) and it will advertise our other sites and the Affiliate WILL get credit for it.

Did'nt try and jump on your thread, just thought it might be a good place to ask if this is a way of using pops that might attract more webmasters that prefer no popups.

Thanks

Gruntled · 08-23-2004, 02:57 AM

well, think about this:

XP is pushing out SP2, which includes updates for IE that will suppress popups, people are migrating from IE to other browsers, most of which block them as well. Creating pops will be a lost art except for a small percentage of surfers glued to older browsers like IE5 (win98, win95?). Worth the development effort?

Panky · 08-23-2004, 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by Don Soporno
your following me now and I demand that you stop it....;-)

Good to see someone else took over where I left off.

One problem to linking the gallery to a FPA, is many site owners and reviewers are becoming wise to this and they will refuse to list the gallery. Some will go as far as banning / blacklisting. It's too easy to change the FPA to something else.

thruma · 08-23-2004, 08:42 AM

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Originally posted by Panky
Good to see someone else took over where I left off.

One problem to linking the gallery to a FPA, is many site owners and reviewers are becoming wise to this and they will refuse to list the gallery. Some will go as far as banning / blacklisting. It's too easy to change the FPA to something else.

Thats exactly what I've seen too.

As a matter of fact I was reading something about one big TGP that used to demand that you use an FPA if you must have popups but after some time passed is now saying no popups and no FPA leading to popups.

I think popups are just dead and not worth risking a blacklisting.

thruma · 08-23-2004, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by Panky

When I submit, everything is pop free. No pop on the galleries, no pop on the tours. Nothing is left to question when you eliminate pops all together.

Same with me. It's just not worth the risk of blacklisting.

thruma · 08-23-2004, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Gruntled

sometimes the smaller sponsors will change the links, and I catch tour links with a console or pop-under.

I had this happen to me from a not so small sponsor. Not sure if it was their fault or not.

my link was a standard link like

http://DONT_clickme.com/id=12345&cf=yes

A few months later it all of a sudden has a popup. Even with cf=yes.
So what was causing the popup?

I needed a / at the end of the url. As soon as I did that there was no popup.

Very tricky if it was on purpose

Don Soporno · 08-23-2004, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Panky

One problem to linking the gallery to a FPA, is many site owners and reviewers are becoming wise to this and they will refuse to list the gallery. Some will go as far as banning / blacklisting. It's too easy to change the FPA to something else.

this is very true, which is why I now just use no pop or light console options if they offer it, like lightspeed.

08-24-2004, 03:28 AM

Q: what does no-popups mean to you?

A: less opportunity to catch a surfers interest for that split second it is blurred infont of them. you have their eyes looking straight at it. good or bad they do have a large in pack on both surfers and wms. Tho put to the correct use the blur can generate that extra sale for both you and your sponsor.

thruma · 08-24-2004, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by monaro
Q: what does no-popups mean to you?

A: less opportunity to catch a surfers interest for that split second it is blurred infont of them. you have their eyes looking straight at it. good or bad they do have a large in pack on both surfers and wms. Tho put to the correct use the blur can generate that extra sale for both you and your sponsor.

I actually agree with you to a point.

Give the surfer 1 popup at the appropiate time or maybe even two.

But if you send them to popup hell they're just gonna get pissed off trying to close all the popups and end up just closing the browser right down and you lose a sale anyway because none of the windows are open anymore.

I've been to marketing sites where the popups are done in such a beautiful way that they actually did grab my attention and made me click them.
The main thing is it wasn't popup hell.

thruma · 08-24-2004, 08:54 AM

Extra note

I realize you were also saying "popups put to correct use"

I was just rantign about other people who use popup hell

08-24-2004, 01:29 PM

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SykkBoy · 08-24-2004, 05:57 PM

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Originally posted by Gruntled
well, think about this:

XP is pushing out SP2, which includes updates for IE that will suppress popups, people are migrating from IE to other browsers, most of which block them as well. Creating pops will be a lost art except for a small percentage of surfers glued to older browsers like IE5 (win98, win95?). Worth the development effort?

This is going to lead to sponsors dropping payouts as they won't be able to do the volume they do from popping exit consoles (as is already happening with sponsors offering a console-free option and payin a lower amount on PPS).

It's still very much worth the effort unless you feel like leaving 15-20% to your bottom line until everyone has switched over...

08-24-2004, 07:06 PM

G'day thruma,

First of all thank you for taking interest on that comment.
I follow our other friends here in saying that the minority of popups are seen as popup hell, this only turns away the true value of why being in
this business in the first place.
Correct use can only be acheived after first testing many methods and the use of pops and blurs.

"Grab your hat, your sunscreen and your stubbie holder and come on over, I'm having a neigbourhood bbq this weekend. Should be fun in the sun at monaro's backyard this Saturday!"

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Originally posted by thruma
Extra note

I realize you were also saying "popups put to correct use"

I was just rantign about other people who use popup hell