Upskirting...What are your thoughts?

Funbrunette · 02-13-2003, 04:01 PM

What can I say...Being only 8 weeks away from my due date I've got lot's of time to sit down and watch television

At least I'm not watching any soaps!

Well, I watched the John Walsh show today (the topic was upskirting:Privacy invated) It was very interesting...

Take a few minutes to read the complete show topic and let me know what you think!

Upskirting: Privacy Invated

twinkley · 02-13-2003, 05:00 PM

Okay... 2 points here

"produced" upskirting is okay. If its all staged , and the chick knows whats going on - more power to her!

If its just some ASSHOLE with a camera going around upskirting without permission - I hope someone kicks his ass! I have had this happen a couple of times now and it just PISSES ME OFF. If I wanted to show anyone whats under my skirt, i would lift it, take it off, or not wear it at all. It IS privacy invasion. NO better or worse than the sickos that setup hidden cams in public restrooms, tenning beds etc.

twinkley

Easton · 02-13-2003, 06:16 PM

well from the little i know on the subject, i undestand that a person cannot expect "right to privacy" in public areas... eg: if your image is on the jumbotron at superbowl, you can't sue, cuz you were in a public place and therefore have no reasonable expectation of privacy... i imagine the same goes if some guy gets an upskirt of a girl on a bus or something... i dunno.

Pidgin · 02-13-2003, 07:25 PM

The whole thing with upskirt is twisted and bad..
It a guy shoots a girl under the skirt he should be sued for sexual harassment - not invasion of privacy.
The fact that I am in a bus or public place and cant really expect not to bump into people (or "happen" to touch them) does NOT mean they can stick fingers in my pussy (or my case asshole) just because its a "type" of touch.
I understand the complexity of the "privacy" issue, but we are not talking about innocent by-stander shot on a superbowl. We are talking about sexual enticement by taking pictures of intimate places of human beings.
Any crime/offense should be judged by the "intent" of it, right? Upskirt is not different.

Yo Adrian · 02-13-2003, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette
What can I say...Being only 8 weeks away from my due date I've got lot's of time to sit down and watch television At least I'm not watching any soaps!

Well, I watched the John Walsh show today (the topic was upskirting:Privacy invated) It was very interesting...

Take a few minutes to read the complete show topic and let me know what you think!

Upskirting: Privacy Invated

Congrats on the baby Funbrunette

As for the upskirting, if they're staged then it's cool, if they're true spy shots then the photographer/crew should be charged with sexual harassment just as xxxmanager stated.

MegaGiga · 02-14-2003, 03:00 AM

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Originally posted by XXXManager
The whole thing with upskirt is twisted and bad..
It a guy shoots a girl under the skirt he should be sued for sexual harassment - not invasion of privacy.
The fact that I am in a bus or public place and cant really expect not to bump into people (or "happen" to touch them) does NOT mean they can stick fingers in my pussy (or my case asshole) just because its a "type" of touch.
I understand the complexity of the "privacy" issue, but we are not talking about innocent by-stander shot on a superbowl. We are talking about sexual enticement by taking pictures of intimate places of human beings.
Any crime/offense should be judged by the "intent" of it, right? Upskirt is not different.

You had people stick their fingers in your ass on a bus?!

Remind me never to get on a bus in your town..

DragonKing · 02-14-2003, 04:27 AM

The producers and camera crew of HBO's Real Sex are coming to our studios today to interview me on the exact same subject! They will be filming a few shoots and documenting what goes on. They tell em, the way they are going to show it as if the girls are unaware, shocking people and then let everyone know it was all staged.
Anyway..should be fun, a nice break from the norm!

Evil Chris · 02-14-2003, 09:19 AM

I'd have to agree with Twinkley on this one...

Granted, when you go to a sporting event and your face ends up on the jumbotron as you are spectating, the entertainment value is based on the fact that you are participating as a spectator in the event and therefore you may be filmed doing so in a public place, and I think everyone would agree that this is fine.

Uninvited (or unknown) upskirt shooting isn't the same thing at all, because you're minding your own business, unaware of the fact that someone is looking at your privates in some fashion.

Funbrunette · 02-14-2003, 10:29 AM

After seeing this show I think I'm going to be a bit paranoid! One thing is for sure...I'm going to have to stop going comando...lol

pornodoggy · 02-14-2003, 10:54 AM

I'm with the majority here ... staged is fine, unstaged is no different than any other kind of illegal content IMHO.

twinkley · 02-14-2003, 10:55 AM

Yeah....

The people running the jumbotron aren't even gonna try going upskirt (even though they have the technology to zoom in on a fly) because they know they would get sued in a heartbeat and its just .... wrong.

If someone peeped through your bathroom window, and took pics of you or your girl or both without you knowing and started spreading them all over the net - wouldnt you be upset? Of course. Because you have been violated and so has your personal space.

I hear the arguement all the time "if you dont want upskirts taken, dont wear a skirt"

Why should I let anyone dictate how I dress? Thats like the old line "Oh, she deserved being raped because she dresses like a slut" - We all know thats bullshit. Its a matter of respect - or lack of.

twinkley

Danny_C · 02-14-2003, 11:02 AM

I agree that upskirts are wrong, and that it shouldn't be done. I would never do business with somebody who did that, and I think everybody should have this attitude. I think our industry would be a lot better off if we alienated people who victimize women in that way.

But right vs. wrong is a complete separate issue than legal vs. illegal, and I'm always wary of any law that limits the free speech of citizens. It's a dangerous path to start locking people up for having their cameras in the wrong place at the wrong time in public places.

twinkley · 02-14-2003, 11:35 AM

True Danny,

But you have to look at intent...

There is a difference in having a camera somewhere and taking a shot that may "accidentally" show something...

And

Someone who is deliberately hiding a camera to shoot upskirt content to be distributed publicly for monetary or personal gain.

there has to be a line drawn somewhere

twinkley

Mister X · 02-14-2003, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by Funbrunette
After seeing this show I think I'm going to be a bit paranoid! One thing is for sure...I'm going to have to stop going comando...lol

Say it ain't so!

Mister X · 02-14-2003, 12:18 PM

I think you have to consider a few things. Staged of course is totally legal and no problem as far as I can see. If a girl is wearing one of those teeny tiny micro-skirts in public then I guess you could argue that it might have been her intent for something of the sort to happen but there is still the issue of a signed model release. Or in these cases the lack of one. I'm not exactly a legal expert but the way I understand it the only time you don't need a signed model release is when someone is in a crowd shot in a public place. A jumbotron is different because it's ephemeral and can't really be considered publication. And of course live events are different because it's quite impossible to get the permission of everyone that attends an event before it goes out on the airwaves.
The upskirt thing is quite similar to the beach candid situation. You can argue, and rightly so, that a girl wearing a bikini on a beach is intending to show off her assets. But the law has been quite clear that you still can't take her pic and publish it for personal gain. If you are a credentialled news photographer you can use her pic in crowdshots but if you intend to use pics of her individually you still need a release in some (most?) jurisdictions. And the fact that it's legal to take pictures of an actresses tits if she goes topless somewhere has no bearing on the issue because there are different legal standards in those cases.
Then in the case of both upskirts and beach pics there is the issue of the girl's age. That's a whole different can of worms. And they are big ugly worms.

Danny_C · 02-15-2003, 10:38 AM

I do agree with you, twinkley. A moral line definitely needs to be drawn. But how do you legislate intent? If a bill was drafted that I was 100% confident couldn't be abused, I might support it. But I can't imagine any way to word a bill that would protect girls from upskirt videos without being abused by powerful people who have something to gain by disallowing cameras in public.