About Michael Vick

Evil Chris · 07-29-2007, 02:13 PM

He pleaded not guilty to the charges brought against him on Friday.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/football/st...cons-vick.html

Like we didn't see *that* coming. Doing it this way will only make the hammer come down on him even harder. At least that is my hope.

If only one of these ego driven millionaire athletes would just once admit guilt and be done with it. Guys like Vick make the good guys look bad too. I hope he gets the maximum sentence for what he's done.

Ronaldo · 07-29-2007, 09:49 PM

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Guys like Vick make the good guys look bad too.

If he makes good guys look bad in your eyes, you have some warped perception.

Evil Chris · 07-30-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronaldo

If he makes good guys look bad in your eyes, you have some warped perception.

You don't understand what I meant?

He makes all athletes look like they could be the next pit bull trainer in the eyes of our kids. These guys need to realize that playing a pro sport and getting paid that much to do it is a privilege and not a right.

Ronaldo · 07-30-2007, 09:12 AM

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You don't understand what I meant?

He makes all athletes look like they could be the next pit bull trainer in the eyes of our kids. These guys need to realize that playing a pro sport and getting paid that much to do it is a privilege and not a right.

I think it's wrong to cast an eye of suspicion on people that are simply associated with someone or working in the same profession. The two exceptions naturally being lawyers and mechanics.

I don't look at Lennox Lewis or other boxers as potential rapists just being Mike Tyson is one. I don't look at former NFL'ers as potential murderers just because OJ is one. I don't think of everyone with grey hair as jackasses just because you're one...etc. etc.

Ronaldo · 07-30-2007, 09:22 AM

Oh, and I'm sorry. Being paid that much to play professional sports IS a right and NOT a priviledge either imho. They're human beings playing a game that people want to watch and pay a great deal of money to see. If they've trained to play and people are willing to pay to see them play, they've earned that right.

What PARENTS need to get a grasp on is that these people are NOT paid to be role models. Neither is Britney Spears and her ilk. If you like her music, fine, buy it. But we shouldn't expect her to lead a perfect life and be an example to our kids just because we buy her music. Parents need to stop making excuses and raise their kids with THEMSELVES as role models. Noone else.

Why we as a society seem to feel celebrities should be held to a higher standard is beyond me. They're people like you and I...only with more money and in most cases, UNWANTED notoriety. Film Britney on stage. Film Lennox in the ring. Why there is a market for pictures of them buying their groceries and/or walking in the park, speaks volumes about what's wrong with society, NOT with the celebrities themselves.

Evil Chris · 07-30-2007, 10:19 AM

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Oh, and I'm sorry. Being paid that much to play professional sports IS a right and NOT a priviledge either imho. They're human beings playing a game that people want to watch and pay a great deal of money to see. If they've trained to play and people are willing to pay to see them play, they've earned that right.

What PARENTS need to get a grasp on is that these people are NOT paid to be role models. Neither is Britney Spears and her ilk. If you like her music, fine, buy it. But we shouldn't expect her to lead a perfect life and be an example to our kids just because we buy her music. Parents need to stop making excuses and raise their kids with THEMSELVES as role models. Noone else.

Why we as a society seem to feel celebrities should be held to a higher standard is beyond me. They're people like you and I...only with more money and in most cases, UNWANTED notoriety. Film Britney on stage. Film Lennox in the ring. Why there is a market for pictures of them buying their groceries and/or walking in the park, speaks volumes about what's wrong with society, NOT with the celebrities themselves.

Nope. We'll see if it's a right or not. Vick has lost all his endorsement deals, and whether or not the mediocre US legal system finds him guilty, people aren't stupid. He'll never be what he was. If it was a "right" to play then he has lost it. Sounds more like a lost privilege to me.

It's true, these people aren't paid to be role models. They are paid to be athletes, actors, singers, etc. But what comes with that fame is responsibility. Responsibility that many of them take lightly and eventually they lose it due to their own stupidity. Celebs become role models automatically. I don't agree with it, but there it is. As a parent, I have never and will never make excuses for anything. I am my child's main role model but I cannot shelter him from the world. There are idiots out there like Vick, and it's up to me to help our son realize that he should not emulate their actions.

Unwanted notoriety? Give me a break. Out of the limelight, out of the money.
They want, need, and love the attention. There are very few who completely resist the attention.

Ronaldo · 07-30-2007, 09:36 AM

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The two exceptions naturally being lawyers and mechanics.

Ooops. Politicians belong on that list too of course.

Evil Chris · 07-30-2007, 10:10 AM

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I think it's wrong to cast an eye of suspicion on people that are simply associated with someone or working in the same profession.

Of course you are correct there but the fact is that the little ones look at pro athletes as their heros, and they emulate them. They want to be like them.

Ronaldo · 07-30-2007, 10:13 AM

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Of course you are correct there but the fact is that the little ones look at pro athletes as their heros, and they emulate them. They want to be like them.

lol, that's when the parent has to step in and do their job. I didn't have the greatest parents in the world, but I can honestly say had this happened back in the day, I NEVER would have thought, "Cool. Michael Vick's a great quarterback. I'm gonna train hard to make the NFL so I can be just like him. Hey Dad, can I have a pitbull?"

keithwoo · 07-30-2007, 07:35 AM

Lawyers tell him to plead not guilty. They always do this to try to get better deal. He is looking at years in prison but i can see him getting very little time. I hope he gets the maxium time they can give him he has no excuse for any of this.

Cyndalie · 07-30-2007, 11:12 AM

Guilty or not guilty, Vicks career is totally screwed. Pissed off fans and animal rights activists will hound him at games until the team and the NFL want no association with him.

Platinum Chris · 07-30-2007, 12:59 PM

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Guilty or not guilty, Vicks career is totally screwed. Pissed off fans and animal rights activists will hound him at games until the team and the NFL want no association with him.

That will all change in a minute if he is found 'not guilty'. The NFL will take him back, and he'll slowly climb back up. His true fans will never hate him. PETA will never get off his case though regardless of the outcome.

IMO - he has responsibilities to know what is going on at his properties if he is letting other people stay at them.

At the end of it all, I'm glad the NFL is stepping up. With Jamal Lewis, they let him slide pretty much until he was convicted. I hope they follow suit with Pac-Man Jones. That dude never deserves to come back into the NFL.