Wicked Temptress and Osiris - you owe me money

[topsmutlinks]

I'm really sorry I have to do this. I gave you enough chances and it's been MONTHS. You guys have been friends of mine for a long time and I've always been very friendly with both of you in ICQ and I am very, very hurt by your decision to try and get out of paying me back.

Here are the facts:

1. November 2003 I loaned WT and Osiris $200 to pay their electric bill that was going to get shut off. WT came to me in ICQ very upset that they didn't know what they were going to do and their electric bill was going to get shut off. She didn't ask me for money directly, but I offered to loan it to them and get them out of a jam because she is a friend. She accepted the money and offered to pay me back.

2. December 2003 WT offers me some hosted gallery designs from Osiris as a "thank you" for the loan - NOT as a payback. At first I decline them because I am a designer myself and I can just do them myself. However as I get busy with my schedule, I accept their offer and take the 6 galleries. This was NOT in lieu of payment, I even have ICQ logs that prove it.

3. February 2004 I tell WT that I am writing off their loan as a business expense since Osiris did do work for me (the galleries) and if I need an invoice I will come to them. This again was NOT instead of repayment, I just figure it is the least they can do for me since it's been 3 months and no re-payment. And no mention of re-payment either.

4. March 1st 2004. The twisting of words begins. I ask WT when I can expect payment. She says first that I said back in December "don't worry about it" and she thinks that I meant "don't worry about paying back the loan". However it was in reference to the fact that my husband was pissed at me for loaning them the money in the first place. And I told her not to worry about him that I would take care of it. Then when she knows that excuse won't fly she says "oh I thought the invoice was in place of the galleries" and I tell her once again how it was not. Then I say that it seems to be a miscommunication and I am still expecting re-payment. Even if it is on April 1st, I will wait, but I do expect to be repaid as agreed. I would never forgive a $200 loan to someone that is not family.

Then she asks me to talk to Osiris about it instead. So I begin to talk to Osiris. Osris is pulling the "I thought the galleries were payback for the loan". I told him that I have ICQ logs that prove that the galleries were not payback for the loan and then he says "well that conversation was with WT and not me and I did the work". So apparently even though they are married, they are two separate entities now. So fine, WT said that the galleries were a thank you, maybe Osiris should collect his money from her for them. In the meantime, I loaned the money to WT and I want payback. And since I loaned the money to her and not Osiris, I am going by her words.

The bottom line: I loaned you guys money when your family was about to be left out in the cold with no electricity. I felt bad for you, and I have been your friend for a long time. The fact that you're trying to get out of paying me back by grasping at every straw you can get ahold of is VERY VERY hurtful. I have never felt so betrayed and it's not even about the money anymore. It's about your word that means NOTHING.

Fine, you thought I said you didn't have to pay me back for one excuse or another......well I didn't, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt saying that it was a miscommunication. As a friend and as someone that loaned you money when you were desperate, you should feel obligated to pay me back. Ethically and morally it is the right thing to do. If you don't have the money right now, fine I'll wait for it! But don't blow me off for months and then try and get out of it. You've both just shown me what character you really have and it seriously hurts.

When I loaned you the money, you only needed something like $180.00 and I gave you an even $200.00 and said "take those beautiful kids out to McDonalds with the rest". And this is how you repay me??

Shame on you both. And shame on me for loaning friends money. This is how it always turns out.

[Wicked Temptress]

I can't believe things blew up like this.

What you said on ICQ about both of us misunderstanding each other was probably correct on a few issues, however your "facts" as they are posted here are not accurate.

Yes I did talk to you on ICQ upset about our electric bill. It was a very tough time for us, I was very upset, and I just needed someone to vent my frustrations to. As I told you on ICQ. I did not go to you looking for money.

Yes, you did offer to pay the bill for us, but at that time you weren't concerned with getting any money back. In fact, when I told you that we would pay you back, you told me not to worry about it because you didn't need the money. "What are friends for?"

So, Osiris asked me to ask you if you needed anything, if we could do anything for you as a thank you, yes, but also as payment to you since you didn't want the money back THE SAME DAY....NOT A MONTH LATER. And, yes, I did say that I still wanted to pay you back. But you, again, told me not to worry about it.

(Hell, honestly, if it were possible for me, I would have paid you back twice as much as you had given me because, at the time, I was touched by your friendship and what you had done for us.)

You said that you would need some hosted galleries...which he did for you.

Then you came back and said that your husband was mad at you for giving us the money and you would need to get it back from us. You weren't concerned with getting it back until then.

And THEN you came to me and said that you wanted to get an invoice for the galleries in case you got audited, so you could write the $200 off as a business expense. And said you didn't need anything from us. I(obviously mistakenly now) thought that meant you didn't need the money back anymore and that you were just going to write it off as a business expense.

How can I pay something back that I didn't know you still wanted? And I also don't understand why you would write money off as a business expense through an invoice when you were expecting the money back... If you got the money back, then what did you pay for the galleries? Nothing... So what's the use of the invoice....

Now You message me today saying that you've given me long enough to pay you back, when I didn't even know you were still expecting money.

When you contacted me, it happened to be a bad time as the baby was very cranky and throwing herself around because she was ready for a nap, which I told you immediately when you contacted me. So, I told you that Osiris would talk to you since I was dealing with her and it would probably be better for you to talk to someone who wasn't dealing with a cranky baby and who could better concentrate on what was being said and he said he wanted to talk to you anyway.

Now I come back to this.

You know what hurts Jennifer? The way the facts were distorted on the boards like this. The way you decided you had to up and post about this instead of waiting to talk to me when I had more time to talk to you.

And you know what? If you wanted to get real technical over who owes who what.... That job you got reviewing paysites through Kush.... I was suppose to get 5% off of everything you did. I am suppose to get 5% off of all the writing jobs you get through WT. And, yes, I do consider that you got that through WT since I posted on your behalf AND talked to Kush on ICQ.

You haven't paid me anything. But I never said anything because it didn't matter too much to me. We were friends and it wasn't that much money... Even though it WAS during the time we weren't doing so good. And I STILL didn't confront you about the money or take it to the boards.

And by the way FUCK YOU. I didn't twist your words around. I never do shit like that.

Thank you for showing me how much friendship is worth to you.

[Don Soporno]

wow..here too huh...hope you guys get this cleared up