shooting my own content

[fish]

hi. if i wanted to shoot my own content for my own paysite..
what records, documents, papers, etc should i have of the models? should i just ask them to just sign a piece of paper saying they're of legal age? that they're willing to have the pictures posted on a website?

please help. it's going to be my first time trying this.

thanks guys.

[Mister X]

Originally posted by fish
hi. if i wanted to shoot my own content for my own paysite..
what records, documents, papers, etc should i have of the models? should i just ask them to just sign a piece of paper saying they're of legal age? that they're willing to have the pictures posted on a website?

please help. it's going to be my first time trying this.

thanks guys.

In a one word answer: NOOOOOO!

To clarify: You need to keep records of a model's identification. I would suggest both electronic and hard copies of at LEAST 2 pieces of identification. One MUST be a driver's license or similar with a photo and date of birth info. Also a picture of the girl holding those 2 pieces of ID up in proximity to her face is advisable. Part of the rule of thumb for such a thing is called due diligence. That means you have to do your best to make sure that the girl is of legal age. If you don't have a photo ID on file then it's pretty easy for a prosecutor to argue that you didn't fullfill the requirements of the law. Even having photo ID isn't enough to save your ass completely in every case if she does turn out to be underage and using fake ID, but it sure as hell helps.

You of course also need a signed model release that spells out exactly the situation for the girl. That you will hold all rights tp the pictures and she won't be paid any royalties for sure. It also needs to be clearly stated that the girl is not an employee and is in fact a private contractor so that you can't be expected to pay any unemployment, etc premiums. It should also list the possible uses to which the pics might be put, such as inclusion on a website, magazine or other print media uses, etc. but in a legal language which makes it clear that those are not the only uses. And the list goes on. The easiest thing to do is to find a content producer in your area and ask him nicely for a copy of his release form. It's way too serious a situation to get into with just some scribbled words on a piece of paper and a signature.

Good Luck

[Funbrunette]

Yeah, from what I hear it's a lot of work and legal issues, but if you're serious and ready...Go for it! Hard work usually pays off

[fish]

Originally posted by Mister X

You of course also need a signed model release that spells out exactly the situation for the girl. That you will hold all rights tp the pictures and she won't be paid any royalties for sure. It also needs to be clearly stated that the girl is not an employee and is in fact a private contractor so that you can't be expected to pay any unemployment, etc premiums. It should also list the possible uses to which the pics might be put, such as inclusion on a website, magazine or other print media uses, etc. but in a legal language which makes it clear that those are not the only uses. And the list goes on. The easiest thing to do is to find a content producer in your area and ask him nicely for a copy of his release form. It's way too serious a situation to get into with just some scribbled words on a piece of paper and a signature.

Good Luck

thanks as usual big guy. don't you shoot your own content for your sites? maybe you can hit me up with a copy of the release form so i could at least get an idea. the only content provider around my area is this guy i really don't like (i don't want to mention names) so i don't want to consult him about it..

[Mister X]

Originally posted by fish
thanks as usual big guy. don't you shoot your own content for your sites? maybe you can hit me up with a copy of the release form so i could at least get an idea. the only content provider around my area is this guy i really don't like (i don't want to mention names) so i don't want to consult him about it..

Well I don't really shoot the content personally very often but yeah, lol. Unfortunately our model release is in French so I don't know if it would be of any use to you or not. But any Canadian model release should be pretty much OK because there isn't the extreme variation in laws from locale to locale that there is in the US.

[NetRodent]

I don't think any of the advice given in this thread is wrong, but it would probably be a good idea to consult with a lawyer who specializes in adult industry issues.

[fish]

thanks for all the replies you guys. you've all been a big help.

[Mister X]

Originally posted by NetRodent
I don't think any of the advice given in this thread is wrong, but it would probably be a good idea to consult with a lawyer who specializes in adult industry issues.

Agreed!

[Evil Chris]

A lot of the legalities also depend on where you're from too.
Canada and the US for example are different in our approaches to content production.

Just my 2 cents!

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by NetRodent
I don't think any of the advice given in this thread is wrong, but it would probably be a good idea to consult with a lawyer who specializes in adult industry issues.

Got it in one.

If you want to be right get a lawyer.

But also consider why you are shooting your own content, is it to get in front of naked girls or make money?

If you want the first go for it, it works a treat. If you want to do it for the second reason then stop and think why.

Shooting porn is a profession and difficult. You have to have the right equipment, location and the RIGHT models. Then you have to know how to put the three together to produce the right results, not easy.

Lighting, using a camera, picking the right location, not shooting every set in your living room, knowing how to find models, relate to them, direct them, coach them into doing it right or just the way you want. All of them require skill and talent.

You don't do it right, you will end up with the same lame arse content that every other wanna be shooter has. It will cost you a lot of money and time to get right. Money and time that you could spend being a webmaster. Then you will enough money to shoot the chicks and learn how to shoot at your leisure.

But if you do not know the 2257 requirements I think you should start by boning up on them first.

[quotealex]

Originally posted by Mister X

.... The easiest thing to do is to find a content producer in your area and ask him nicely for a copy of his release form. It's way too serious a situation to get into with just some scribbled words on a piece of paper and a signature.

Can you send me a copy of a release form?

Just kidding

I also wanted to start producing my own content but decided not to because of the high number of minors here in Quebec that use fake ID.

[Vid Vicious]

Originally posted by Paul Markham
Got it in one.

If you want to be right get a lawyer.

But also consider why you are shooting your own content, is it to get in front of naked girls or make money?

If you want the first go for it, it works a treat. If you want to do it for the second reason then stop and think why.

Shooting porn is a profession and difficult. You have to have the right equipment, location and the RIGHT models. Then you have to know how to put the three together to produce the right results, not easy.

Lighting, using a camera, picking the right location, not shooting every set in your living room, knowing how to find models, relate to them, direct them, coach them into doing it right or just the way you want. All of them require skill and talent.

You don't do it right, you will end up with the same lame arse content that every other wanna be shooter has. It will cost you a lot of money and time to get right. Money and time that you could spend being a webmaster. Then you will enough money to shoot the chicks and learn how to shoot at your leisure.

But if you do not know the 2257 requirements I think you should start by boning up on them first.

You took the words righ tout of my mouth ...

Too many people out there figure they can do content for the simple reasons that they can fuck, know some girls and have so extra $$$ to but a camera.

Production is a serious bussiness. First are all the legal and ethical issues. then just like paul says it's a specail talent. I went to school in Film production, Did my minor in Photography then did another undergrad in Television Broadcasting. Been in the Video industry for the last 15 years. What's the difference from one of my shoots or pauls shoots to one of a true wanna be .. Quality in Framing, lighting, iris setting, color balance ... etc

These things might be trivial to most but make a huge difference in the long run. there is something to be said about production values. and professional talent.

So please think long and hard whether or not to do this. keep in mind life as you know it right now will never be the same. And what are the values/qualities in the video tyhat you want to market to your potential members. (remember you will and do have limitations to the quality and content you can produce with limited experience)

PAUL .. I look forward to seeing ya in Florida .. we got lots to bithc about ... LOL


Vid Vicious
www.vidsview.net

[Mister X]

Originally posted by quotealex
Can you send me a copy of a release form?

Just kidding

I also wanted to start producing my own content but decided not to because of the high number of minors here in Quebec that use fake ID.

That is definitely a problem and it's why I mentioned the due diligence in my earlier post. If you make sure that you have 2 reasonable pieces of ID and you make ABSOLUTELY sure that you aren't the least bit doubtful of it then you are most likely not going to jail if it turns out to be fake ID. Everyone has heard horror stories about guys who took some lame ass piece of paper from a girl and called it ID, lol. Another good rule of thumb is that the younger she looks the more important it is to have the best documentation you can. Honestly I wish there was some kind of hotline you could call to find out if the age and name on an ID matches the serial numbers. Or at least to find out if it is a valid number.

[fish]

more replies, wow.

i want to start a paysite under the "amateur" category. so as for lighting, locations, etc, i think i can handle it because i am indeed just an amateur photographer and the models i've talked to are real first timers.

and the only reason i want to start shooting my own content because i think it would be much cheaper compared to getting exclusive content if i'm just looking for amateur content. and i think it would do me better in the long term when it comes to business, with all the exclusive models.

i'm looking into the 2257 requirements as of the moment, and i'll focus on this first before shooting anything.

and i am being careful, that's exactly why i went here first and asked.

[Mister X]

Originally posted by fish
more replies, wow.

i want to start a paysite under the "amateur" category. so as for lighting, locations, etc, i think i can handle it because i am indeed just an amateur photographer and the models i've talked to are real first timers.

and the only reason i want to start shooting my own content because i think it would be much cheaper compared to getting exclusive content if i'm just looking for amateur content. and i think it would do me better in the long term when it comes to business, with all the exclusive models.

i'm looking into the 2257 requirements as of the moment, and i'll focus on this first before shooting anything.

and i am being careful, that's exactly why i went here first and asked.

Careful is important, hehe. As far as cheaper... probably not. I don't know what you are planning on paying models but the average cost here in montreal is a minimum 100 bucks per session. You can usually shoot 2 sets in a session. It's very possible you can buy 2 sets just as cheap and probably cheaper. The time when content is really cheaper to shoot yourself is when you have free models. Like girlfriend or wife. If you want exclusive content it is also cheaper to shoot yourself even if you are paying models.

Also don't think that just because it's amateur content you aren't going to need lighting etc. The flash on most (if not all) digital cameras just doesn't cut it for anything except filling in the shadows. And when it comes to video having some high output lighting is a must. You can get away with a couple of cheap halogens for both if you use the flash in fill mode when doing stills. But you would be well advised to spend some time experimenting before you actually start shooting for a site. People who join amateur sites are more willing to overlook some flaws than those who join pornstar sites but they still want nice clear pics, hehe.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by Vid Vicious
You took the words righ tout of my mouth ...

Too many people out there figure they can do content for the simple reasons that they can fuck, know some girls and have so extra $$$ to but a camera.

Production is a serious bussiness. First are all the legal and ethical issues. then just like paul says it's a specail talent. I went to school in Film production, Did my minor in Photography then did another undergrad in Television Broadcasting. Been in the Video industry for the last 15 years. What's the difference from one of my shoots or pauls shoots to one of a true wanna be .. Quality in Framing, lighting, iris setting, color balance ... etc

These things might be trivial to most but make a huge difference in the long run. there is something to be said about production values. and professional talent.

So please think long and hard whether or not to do this. keep in mind life as you know it right now will never be the same. And what are the values/qualities in the video tyhat you want to market to your potential members. (remember you will and do have limitations to the quality and content you can produce with limited experience)

PAUL .. I look forward to seeing ya in Florida .. we got lots to bithc about ... LOL


Vid Vicious
www.vidsview.net

Exactly, but if he's determined to do it himself let him. He will soon find out the hard way.

Fish I'm 52, nearly 53, look at the look in the girls eyes and see what porno is really about.

You want to shoot "Amateur Model" style - The girl is doing it for fun as a prelude to sex. Or "Amateur Photographer" style - The girl is doing it for money, with no intentions of having sex cos the dickhead with the camera is pissing her off.

Now which one do you really think your surfers are going to jerk off to and which one do you think you will produce?

Cost, well if you have the talent to shoot and the equipment, then all you need are girls. US girls charge anything from $50 an hour to $100 an hour, as a beginner you will be lucky to shoot a set in an hour. You will need a minimum of 50 sets to start a site, and will need to add 50 a month for a paysite. So you are looking for an outlay on content of between $2,500 and $5,000 a month for content.

All shot in the same place and the same way. Do yourself a favour at the moment we are doing 50 sets for $200 that will buy you our entire www.bargainbasementcontent.com site for $1800. That's 450 sets then you can start and the next month shoot for yourself. A good tracked system inside the site will soon tell you what your surfer wants to look at.

[fish]

it's all going to be exclusive amateur content so i believe it's going to be cheaper. as for lighting etc, i just asked my friend who's knows a little photography and he's willing to do it just as long as i share some of the income, which is okay with me.

[Paul Markham]

Fish the idea of these boards is to advise newbies.

You go for it, do it as you see fit. What the heck do we know?

[Mister X]

Originally posted by fish
it's all going to be exclusive amateur content so i believe it's going to be cheaper. as for lighting etc, i just asked my friend who's knows a little photography and he's willing to do it just as long as i share some of the income, which is okay with me.

As long as you're going into it with your eyes open good luck! I happen to believe that amateur sites are a lot better when they have exclusive content. It's a lot different market than teen sites etc., so buying cheap content from someone else can often do more harm than good.

Also you don't really need to update 50 sets a month to keep your members happy with an amateur site. No offense to Paul Markham but that's the viewpoint of someone who's in the business of selling content, lol. With a true amateur site the members are mostly interested in more than sheer quantity. You can have lots of happy rebillers with one good update a week. If you start out with about 20 photosets and 10 video sets or something like that you should be ok.

Amateur site members like to pick a favourite girl and see new updates from her also, so try to have some kind of feedback mechanism in place. A forum or a simple guest book can work well for that. It's a lot more friendly than simply using tracking software to see what's most popular, hehe.

Quality is still important though cuz nobody likes to jack off to blurry pics!

[Paul Markham]

I can see what you are saying. but it still comes down to whter he has the talent to get out of the girls the looks and feel that she is doing it for the fun and the not the money.

Ans as for the amount of content, so long as the guy signing up knows there is 20 sets and 10 videos that's fine. We have to now watch for charge backs.

[FrankieP]

you also have to tell her that shes yours for life! thats the only way to keep a woman these days!

[Slowlicks]

consult with a lawyer who specializes in adult industry issues


So where would I find a lawyer who "specializes" in adult industry , I doubt listed in the phone book ??? Anyone with Chicago info of contacts, I would be grateful !



MB

[Ronaldo]

Originally posted by Slowlicks
consult with a lawyer who specializes in adult industry issues


So where would I find a lawyer who "specializes" in adult industry , I doubt listed in the phone book ??? Anyone with Chicago info of contacts, I would be grateful !



MB

The best suggestion I can make is http://www.xxxlaw.net/

[Paul Markham]

This thread is now 6 weeks old it would be nice to know how Fish is getting on.

Did he get to shoot the stuff he wanted and did it work on his site?

We see these threads all the time but very rarely see the results.