>> Free Porn Debate!

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by Darin
I say free porn is good for the industry. Prove me wrong.

Give us all the reasons you think it's good for the industry, and then someone might try to prove you wrong.

[Darin]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
Give us all the reasons you think it's good for the industry, and then someone might try to prove you wrong.

No, cause then the thread will die. I'll be right and nobody will be able to say anything.

Nobody here has yet challenged me in any significant way. Yet I hear all the time people bitching about free porn and tgps.

Prove me wrong.

[Evil Chris]

Yeah but Darin, that's like saying... "The sky is green... prove me wrong."

If you say, "My dick is bigger... prove me wrong." You HAVE TO show your dick! LMAO

[twinkley]

The *only* problem i have with "Free" porn is the fact that
there is NO age verification on it. If you can age verify, and still
give it free, more power to ya. But if kids can access your site
and see miss thing of the month takin it every way she can... thats
just not cool.

twinkley

[Darin]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
Yeah but Darin, that's like saying... "The sky is green... prove me wrong."

If you say, "My dick is bigger... prove me wrong." You HAVE TO show your dick! LMAO

Exactly. Read your post.

[StuartD]

Free porn is good.... but this is a very general term... because it leads me to the question... how much free porn?

I mean, if there's 5 million gallery makers out there, submitting to 1 million tgp sites, and there all of the pics and vids to all the members areas are available on kazaa....

well, it's not so good. Why would anyone ever want to pay for porn ever again??

Is free porn good... sure, in moderation. Give a dose of it, to make someone hard, and if they really wanna splurt on their belly button, they gotta pay up.

But, if you give out enough porn that they need to invest in a spooge mop to clean the area around their desk day after day for years to cum (pun intented)... then it is WAY more harmful to the industry than helpful.

I loved the concept of tgp's... when I though it was just the hun, persian kitty.. and a select others. Now everyone and their dog owns at least one tgp site. Get any 10 gallery makers in the industry, and I bet 8 of them have their own tgp site as well.

Free porn is too general... too simplistic. Free drugs is good too, but if you overdose... you're dead.

[Darin]

Originally posted by twinkley
The *only* problem i have with "Free" porn is the fact that
there is NO age verification on it. If you can age verify, and still
give it free, more power to ya. But if kids can access your site
and see miss thing of the month takin it every way she can... thats
just not cool.

twinkley

It's the parents job to monitor underage internet surfing, period.

Free porn can be found on the shelf of your nearest Albertsons, Smiths, or other grocery store. Sex is advertised everywhere, and the crap music on the radio today pretty much tells the story of having sex.

Parents watch their kids at the store, they turn the station when the radio has a crap song not appropriate for their kids, they can monitor their kids on the internet too.

[Darin]

Originally posted by StuartD
Free porn is good.... but this is a very general term... because it leads me to the question... how much free porn?

I mean, if there's 5 million gallery makers out there, submitting to 1 million tgp sites, and there all of the pics and vids to all the members areas are available on kazaa....

well, it's not so good. Why would anyone ever want to pay for porn ever again??

Is free porn good... sure, in moderation. Give a dose of it, to make someone hard, and if they really wanna splurt on their belly button, they gotta pay up.

But, if you give out enough porn that they need to invest in a spooge mop to clean the area around their desk day after day for years to cum (pun intented)... then it is WAY more harmful to the industry than helpful.

I loved the concept of tgp's... when I though it was just the hun, persian kitty.. and a select others. Now everyone and their dog owns at least one tgp site. Get any 10 gallery makers in the industry, and I bet 8 of them have their own tgp site as well.

Free porn is too general... too simplistic. Free drugs is good too, but if you overdose... you're dead.

Think outside the box Stuart. There are 3,083,324,652 webpages indexed by Google at this very moment.

Do you think for a second that I will EVER see all of those pages? Do you think you will ever see more than a small fraction of those pages? Doubt it.

How long will someone search for free porn before they finally make that buy? They DO make that buy. The more free porn there is (as long as its used in an effective way) the better off this industry is.

Your chances of grabbing that surfer whos LOOKING for you, is much higher if you have more entry points to your front door.

[twinkley]

Ahhhh but thats not how the internet works and you know it....

Yes, it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childs
activities. And yes, sex is sold everywhere.

However,

A kid can not go into a store and buy a playboy or penthouse.
They cant even see the cover cause its blocked by black film -
even if the girl on the cover is dressed. Why? Common courtesy
to parents to MAKE that desicion - not have it thrust in their face.

Been surfing on the net lately? Mainstream, not adult. Even browsing
through mainstream sites you get bombed with gambling, casino and porn pop-ups. Its inevitable. You surf long enough and *BAM* - there's
a picture of a girl sucking on a cock or shoving god-knows-what where
the sun dont shine.

Everyone is responsible for keeping children from possibly harmful materials. If you saw a child at a store who had wandered off from a less-than-attentive parent and was headed for some injury - would you say "oh, its not my problem if that kid hurts himself" cause his parent wasnt paying attention that minute, or are you going to help the kid avoid whatever and help him find his parent?

twinkley

[Darin]

Originally posted by twinkley
Ahhhh but thats not how the internet works and you know it....

Yes, it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childs
activities. And yes, sex is sold everywhere.

However,

A kid can not go into a store and buy a playboy or penthouse.
They cant even see the cover cause its blocked by black film -
even if the girl on the cover is dressed. Why? Common courtesy
to parents to MAKE that desicion - not have it thrust in their face.

Been surfing on the net lately? Mainstream, not adult. Even browsing
through mainstream sites you get bombed with gambling, casino and porn pop-ups. Its inevitable. You surf long enough and *BAM* - there's
a picture of a girl sucking on a cock or shoving god-knows-what where
the sun dont shine.

Everyone is responsible for keeping children from possibly harmful materials. If you saw a child at a store who had wandered off from a less-than-attentive parent and was headed for some injury - would you say "oh, its not my problem if that kid hurts himself" cause his parent wasnt paying attention that minute, or are you going to help the kid avoid whatever and help him find his parent?

twinkley

Twinkley, with all do respect. You can't change the FACT that it is the parents responsibility to monitor their childrens internet activity.

Parents must watch what their kids see on TV, listen on the radio, and browse on the internet. Period.

You can't change whats on the radio, you can't change whats on TV, you can't change the fact that porn will always be accessible especially on the internet.

What you can change, is the ability for your kids to even be exposed to those medias that contain the damaging content.

[Darin]

.. and let me add another point.

Think about how many paysite tours where the content is protected by age verification have images that are not damaging to a child.

Try selling porn without porn and you have no business.

[twinkley]

Funny.... We have managed to do it....

Besides darin, can you really watch a child every moment of every day of his/her life until they turn 18? Of course not. It would be insane to try. As a parent to teach your child right from wrong and protect them the best you can. Parents rely on other adults to do the same when they cant - bus drivers, teachers, day care, principals, friends etc.

Ya know the old saying "it takes a village...."

twinkley

[Darin]

Originally posted by twinkley
Funny.... We have managed to do it....

Besides darin, can you really watch a child every moment of every day of his/her life until they turn 18? Of course not. It would be insane to try. As a parent to teach your child right from wrong and protect them the best you can. Parents rely on other adults to do the same when they cant - bus drivers, teachers, day care, principals, friends etc.

Ya know the old saying "it takes a village...."

twinkley

In my opinion, a good parent takes care of their kids and brings them up, nobody else can do that.. no village, no tv, no radio, no magazine, and no internet.

I have other issues about american parents (yes, I said american) because they don't have family values like other nationalitites. They like to just dump their kids off somewhere and goto work. Then they wonder why their kids turn to drugs, cling on to losers, and ultimately ruin their life.. their parents were not there for them during the most important part of their lives. Nuff said on that.

However, I think its BULLSHIT for ANY site to say they have managed to sell porn without damaging images to children.

.. take a moment and imagine you have a 10 year old daughter, would you let her look at the front page tours of those websites?

Think about it.

[Apollo]

Originally posted by Darin
Of course they do, if you were a TGP owner wouldn't you want to make money?

Are you in this business to do favors for everyone in the industry to profit from your hardwork, time and bandwidth?

This is business, treat it like one.

My point is you can't have your cake and eat it too...you can't own a TGP and expect to make money off surfers unless you intend on fucking around with the webmasters. And you can't expect to make money off the webmasters unless you fuck around with the surfers. Take my autosubmitter for example...my entire model is setup to not make money off the surfers (although there is some minor surfer advertising). My focus is providing great service to webmasters giving them the opportunity to make money off the surfers. There have been other autosubmitters that have tried to do both....and they haven't been successful.

It's the whole don't shit where you eat philosophy....

[Darin]

Originally posted by Apollo
My point is you can't have your cake and eat it too...you can't own a TGP and expect to make money off surfers unless you intend on fucking around with the webmasters. And you can't expect to make money off the webmasters unless you fuck around with the surfers. Take my autosubmitter for example...my entire model is setup to not make money off the surfers (although there is some minor surfer advertising). My focus is providing great service to webmasters giving them the opportunity to make money off the surfers. There have been other autosubmitters that have tried to do both....and they haven't been successful.

It's the whole don't shit where you eat philosophy....

In every business, someone is getting fucked. Thats business. It's about fucking someone.

Whoever it may be, you are fucking someone. I agree with you tho, everyone has a different view of whos being fucked. But whos to blame for that?

In business when you feel you are getting fucked, you dont do business with that person/company.

In this business, people feel they get fucked, but they keep on doing it! Go figure! Then they complain, bitch and whine about how they dont make money...

They need to get their ass together and use their brain to make a real business model and not just jump on the bandwagon and bitch about free porn making it hard for them to make money.

They need to bitch and whine in the mirror and do something creative, productive, and SMART instead of being lemmings.

>>> Free porn is good for the industry, prove me wrong!!

[silverway]

Originally posted by Darin
This isn't proof of anything. This is your opinion. You are trying to look at both and can't even agree with yourself.

Better think this over better.

You know I can indeed agree with myself!
If I said free porn was cool as a surfer, it just because a lot of surfers just look at free porn all over the net.
But I also agree that we need free porn to tease people, and then they wanna see more and they buy some porn.
That's my point!!!

[Darin]

Originally posted by silverway
You know I can indeed agree with myself!
If I said free porn was cool as a surfer, it just because a lot of surfers just look at free porn all over the net.
But I also agree that we need free porn to tease people, and then they wanna see more and they buy some porn.
That's my point!!!

So after all that you basically agree with me then.

[silverway]

Originally posted by Darin
So after all that you basically agree with me then.

Yup that's it!
As long as (mass)free porn don't hurt my checks it will be okay for me.

[Darin]

Originally posted by silverway
Yup that's it!
As long as (mass)free porn don't hurt my checks it will be okay for me.

.. and how will you ever know when this has happened? How can you measure such a dynamic!

There are so many variables it's virtually impossible to pin point free porn as being a cause to lost revenue.

Free porn is good for the industry, prove me wrong damnit!

[silverway]

Originally posted by Darin
.. and how will you ever know when this has happened? How can you measure such a dynamic!

There are so many variables it's virtually impossible to pin point free porn as being a cause to lost revenue.

Free porn is good for the industry, prove me wrong damnit!

get lost with your proof dude!!!
Just the enough of free porn is good but too mcuh will kill our bizz!

[Darin]

Originally posted by silverway
get lost with your proof dude!!!
Just the enough of free porn is good but too mcuh will kill our bizz!

So how much is too much? Refer to my reply to Stuart about the same subject.

There are 3,083,324,652 pages indexed by Google at this moment. There is too much information there. That doesnt stop me from using it to find what I'm looking for.

If your competitor has 1,000,000 pages in that index and you have 5. Whos gonna get the money from that surfer?

[Dugmor]

If you cannot convert TGP traffic , it may mean your site SUCKS !

[creaturebeats]

Originally posted by Dugmor
If you cannot convert TGP traffic , it may mean your site SUCKS !

that's how i see it, if u can't do something it could mean that your not that good at it....

plain & simple

[Darin]

Originally posted by Dugmor
If you cannot convert TGP traffic , it may mean your site SUCKS !

HEH!

Yes it very well may!!

[StuartD]

Originally posted by Darin
Think outside the box Stuart. There are 3,083,324,652 webpages indexed by Google at this very moment.

Do you think for a second that I will EVER see all of those pages? Do you think you will ever see more than a small fraction of those pages? Doubt it.

How long will someone search for free porn before they finally make that buy? They DO make that buy. The more free porn there is (as long as its used in an effective way) the better off this industry is.

Your chances of grabbing that surfer whos LOOKING for you, is much higher if you have more entry points to your front door.

The problem is.. that I am outside the box... and there's a lot of porn outside of the box.

Let's say that someone goes to a tgp, and finds a gallery, and it has 3 recips on it. They click on one of those and find hundreds more galleries, each with more recips on them. They can surf all day long and collect 500 images of what they want, without ever paying 1 cent to a website.

If I can get over 400 pics of mardi gras, and parties, and drunk girls... why in the world would I ever sign up to CollegeFuckFest? Especially if I can get most of the vids of kazaa?

over 3 million sites on google, not all are porn. And no one uses it for porn anyway. All you need is one tgp site, and you may find your way to 50 more tgp sites... hundreds... each with hundreds of galleries.

I can fill up my harddrive in a day... I'd have to wait another year or two worth of updates on most porn sites.

Giving out free porn is great to get people to your door, and maybe even through.. but I ask you this... if I can get a free buffet of steak and lobster in the hallway.... I'd be full before I ever got in the door of the restaurant.

[Darin]

Originally posted by StuartD
The problem is.. that I am outside the box... and there's a lot of porn outside of the box.

Let's say that someone goes to a tgp, and finds a gallery, and it has 3 recips on it. They click on one of those and find hundreds more galleries, each with more recips on them. They can surf all day long and collect 500 images of what they want, without ever paying 1 cent to a website.

If I can get over 400 pics of mardi gras, and parties, and drunk girls... why in the world would I ever sign up to CollegeFuckFest? Especially if I can get most of the vids of kazaa?

over 3 million sites on google, not all are porn. And no one uses it for porn anyway. All you need is one tgp site, and you may find your way to 50 more tgp sites... hundreds... each with hundreds of galleries.

I can fill up my harddrive in a day... I'd have to wait another year or two worth of updates on most porn sites.

Giving out free porn is great to get people to your door, and maybe even through.. but I ask you this... if I can get a free buffet of steak and lobster in the hallway.... I'd be full before I ever got in the door of the restaurant.

In theory, a surfer could surf the entire internet by following every single link on every single page they find. But do they?

NO.

It takes time to do what you just explained, and when the surfer is horny and wants a fix, wasting time clicking clicking clicking clicking trying to find what tickles their fancy is NOT what they want to do.

People are willing to pay to get the good stuff NOW and not have to deal with being shifted around from site to site trying to find what they are looking for.

Remember, people are LOOKING for something that they like. They don't just casually follow links for hours and hours looking at 'FREE PORN'. The free is the gimmick to catch that surfer and give them what they want.. NOW, not two hours later.

People have lives, they have work, they have to sleep, they have time alone when their wife is upstairs or out shopping, they dont have time to mess around with thousands of recip links going from one tgp to another.

They want their FIX and its every adult webmasters job to present that to the surfer using some type of free content to get them hot and ready to buy NOW.

The google example was an example.. to show you that there is plenty of information but nobody is going to go through 3 billion (Yes, not million but BILLION) pages indexed. They use the tools presented to them to find what they want FAST.

If you could setup an account and pay 5 cents for what you were looking for instantly using Google, would you not do that? .. or would you rather surf 3 billion results for hours clicking back and forth looking for what you want or NEED at the MOMENT?

Free porn is good for this industry! Prove me wrong!

[StuartD]

That doesn't make any sense... i just told you, if I want party girls, I can find 100's of pics, right now.... in 5 minutes.

if I wanted to rip off Evil Chris and check out the CFF feeds, I could... have you searched Kazaa lately?

I can get a fix on any niche I want, in 10 minutes or less.... guaranteed... for free.

[Darin]

Originally posted by StuartD
That doesn't make any sense... i just told you, if I want party girls, I can find 100's of pics, right now.... in 5 minutes.

if I wanted to rip off Evil Chris and check out the CFF feeds, I could... have you searched Kazaa lately?

I can get a fix on any niche I want, in 10 minutes or less.... guaranteed... for free.

So you are saying the evil is the P2P engines?

[Vid Vicious]

the number 1 reason free porn is bad ...

Moneys generated from free porn .. fund DARIN !

hee hee

[Bree]

Originally posted by MegaGiga
The problem is not free porn.. its the various traffic sources (such as tgp's and search engines) that impose stupid rules designed to ensure we make less money! We should give them lots of crap free porn and then hammer them with every form of advertising we can think of!

The surfer is not your friend, he is your food!

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