Hungryman, another year and you haven't paid your debt

Originally posted by chodadog
He damaged his own reputation by stealing. This wasn't a case of someone giving him a loan and not being able to pay it back 'cause he fell on hard times. He was paid money. He should have given the designers their cut right then. He shouldn't have spent any more than the half that was rightufully his. That's theft.

If your allegations are right, IF, then, I agree. But stories rarely have only one side. It takes two to tango.

BTW, who are directly involved in this thing ? Are you Chadog? Does he owes YOU money ? Does he owes money to CDSmith ?

Which one of you are white knights attempting to defend a damzel in distress ?

By canadian law, if, a third person, enter an agreement, say you claim that you'll collect on a conflict between two parties, the defendant has NO obligation to talk to you because he does NOT have any contract with you. I think it's the case of CDSmith. In that case, it is the third party that is becomes liable for the debt. Read the law...

Anyway, as I mentionned above, this is not the place to take this conflict. It is right to expose each side of the conflict, but not to expect people to be police, judge, jury and God.

I said what I considered acceptable and non-acceptable in my above post. All third parties comments should be removed.

[cdsmith]

Feynman, my sources who are in-the-know tell me that you are Hungryman's current roommate. Is that true? You are obviously his close friend for the moment, which makes your opinion biased from the get-go.

Is my opinion bias?

The answer is actually...no. How can this be you ask? Well, I started out liking Paul as much as anyone. Even after I outted him last year for this very same issue, once he contacted me and became cooperative I began to help him, and during our call and over the past year we got along just fine. I have ICQ logs saved that prove that I made efforts to help him to get back on track with his tgp. He agreed at that time to pay back Rikki Lee.

Let me say that again so you understand what it is I'm saying here......

Paul AGREED to pay back the debt he owes to Rikki Lee. He admitted that he had done wrong and several of his messages to me and comments during our phone call showed that he was very remorseful. Tell me, why would he feel that way and say those things if he was as innocent as he would have us believe now?

Now, a year later, he is denying responsibilty of that debt. Feynman, you can stop calling this a "story" right here and now, because the allegations are couched in fact, not fiction.

And you can stop talking as if you are anything close to being a lawyer Feynman. You're not. You are attempting to cloud the issue. Assuming you are truly Paul's friend I will tell you that the worst... the WORST thing for you to do here is to encourage him to hold out until a lawsuit is launched against him. That is the last thing I want to do here. It would be so much better for Paul in the long run both financially and otherwise, to just admit to his mistakes and pay his debt. It would be far cheaper for him than having to hire a lawyer, and our community at large would then be in a position to forgive him and move on.

Once the evidence I am compiling is in front of his host and ISP, they will very likely shut his online business down. Again, this is not what I want to do, but it IS going to happen unless Paul smartens up and does what is right. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. If you don't like it, then why not be a real friend to Paul and help him see the error of his ways, instead of playing mister lawyer?

[chodadog]

Originally posted by Feynman
If your allegations are right, IF, then, I agree. But stories rarely have only one side. It takes two to tango.

BTW, who are directly involved in this thing ? Are you Chadog? Does he owes YOU money ? Does he owes money to CDSmith ?

Which one of you are white knights attempting to defend a damzel in distress ?

By canadian law, if, a third person, enter an agreement, say you claim that you'll collect on a conflict between two parties, the defendant has NO obligation to talk to you because he does NOT have any contract with you. I think it's the case of CDSmith. In that case, it is the third party that is becomes liable for the debt. Read the law...

Anyway, as I mentionned above, this is not the place to take this conflict. It is right to expose each side of the conflict, but not to expect people to be police, judge, jury and God.

I said what I considered acceptable and non-acceptable in my above post. All third parties comments should be removed.

Believe me, the allegations are true. I know you're probably more inclined to believe Hungryman, because he is your friend. But lying and thievery are characteristics that are not limited to business. Is he really your roommate? Don't leave your wallet laying around, is all i'm saying.

No, i'm not directly involved in this. A friend of mine was one of the designers who was ripped off.

My personal opinion on this situation is that the money will never be paid. I don't think he'll ever make good. He simply doesn't have the common decency to square his debts. I may be wrong, but until he proves otherwise, i hope as many potential clients and designers find out about this as possible.

I'm aware that bringing something like this to the boards is not going to get the money paid back. I think CD is a little more optimistic than i am in that regard. For me, it's just about getting the truth out there and letting everyone know what a scumbag he is, so that nobody ever does business with him again.

Basically, until he pays the money back, his reputation is going to be dragged through the mud indefinitely. I'm not going to sit here and keep the threads bumped across all the various boards, but when i do see someone recommending his services, or him showing off "his" portfolio ot pick up some new clients, i'll gladly point out the threads with all the details of his scamming.