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Mister X · 06-12-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Feynman
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Of the 9 girls that the outfit I worked for hired from Eromodel, at least 8 were of the same opinion concerning the fee Eromodel charged. Yet, the referral fee was only a modest part of their wages (typically 10%).

And all of these were eager to bypass the agent (Daniel) whenever possible. Some of them are still listed on Eromodel site, some others are not anymore.

My point is that it's all a matter of perspective. It's always easier to conclude that others are "making money on our back". But ain't we are all doing it? Money is made to move.

What does that have to do with anything? Most of the models are not signed to exclusive contracts. And the booking fee does NOT come out of their wages. It's paid by whoever calls the agency to book her. And the usual fee is 15% not 10%, unless it's a better than usual customer. And Daniel is NOT an agent for most of these girls. If they want to book their own shoots then they are welcome to do so.

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I think here lies the crux of Daniel et al. recriminations.

It all depends on the type of business you're operating.

Daniel's running, among other ops, a model agency; he surely would have liked to display his girls in a booth...

Booking twenty girls at 150$ each would have cost him 3 grands. He'd have to book girls at least thrice each at 70$ per referral to break even (taking into account his overhead).

Daniel's well established. I suppose it is difficult for him to "do business" or "strike deals" due to the very nature of how a model agency operates.

The concept of "deal making" hardly applies to his modus operandi, as it is difficult to do a deal on an unspecified girl. Proof is, every model agency displays a girl portfolio. You don't buy the services of the agency, you buy the referral to one model and that's that. It's very often a "cash and carry" business.

A booth would have provided him with a controlled environment where he could introduce his models to the industry, while also maintaining a certain control over how the model represented his business.

Furthermore, I've never met a porn model who's never toyed with the idea of going private, of bypassing her agency. In that sense, paying the fee of 20 girls and let them roam free runs the risk of becoming a loosing proposition in more than one way. It is one thing to organize an event with 20 girls in public, in a bar, with possibly some people of the industry around but mixed with the general public, and an entirely different thing to bring twenty girls in a convention where they *know* that they will be surrounded by prospective clients. The temptation to go private will probably be overwhelming.

So, for all of these reasons, I can understand why the show, with it's lack of conventional structure, was not good to him.

If I had been in his shoes, I'd have gotten very creative in trying to strike a special deal with the show organizers. Him being a seasoned businessman, he probably tried anyway...

No offense but you're talking out your ass on all of that. It's pure unreasoned speculation on your part.

1) Who ever heard of a giant booth with 20 girls done by a casting agency??? It makes no sense, from the standpoint of someone who would actually make money from CASTING those girls, to spend money to put them in his own booth and tell his good customers that they can't book them for a show.

2) You say in the same paragraph that Daniel is well established AND that it is difficult for him to do business or strike deals. That makes NO sense. And "due to the very nature of how a model agency operates" ??? What does that even mean for god's sake?

3) Gee what a surprise that a casting agent would have a portfolio to show pics of the girls to prospective clients. And it isn't true that you don't buy the services of the casting agent. In many cases we provide transport for the girls to and from the site of the shoot. We arrange for HIV tests, etc. We take responsibility for whether a girl shows up or not. We spend the time it takes to actually get her on the phone and commit to a shooting date. And with a lot of these girls that in itself is no mean feat. We make sure before hand that the girl is willing to do what the customer wants her to do. And add to that the fact that we often provide studio space, etc. at no charge. We don't just show a bunch of pics to someone and tell them to pick a girl and then give them a telephone number. It's FAR more than a referral to a model. And just as important as that is the fact that we provide a degree of protection to the models who are often taken advantage of by some of the less principled people in this business.

4) What does the fact that almost all models take private bookings at times have to do with ANYTHING? You keep harping on that fact.

5) All your big speech is predicated on the supposition that Daniel went into a fit of rage ( or some such stupid thing) because HE wanted a booth and the show apparently (according to you) didn't let him have one. Well here's some news: Daniel never tried to have a booth. The show organizers never turned down his hypothetical (read nonexistent) request for a big huge booth with 20 models. And do you know what else? daniel was never even slightly interested in having a booth. I doubt that the idea even crossed his mind.

6) Next time try and mix a little fact in with your fiction. It really wasn't up to your usual efforts.

7) Have a nice day!

Sharpie · 06-12-2003, 04:02 PM

OK - guys..... enough! Daniel is welcome to his opinion. I just don't know why he wanted to take it as far as passing out copies of his post at an event????

Maybe he did not understand the badge making process and that him or anyone else for that matter - didn't realize that whatever was put on the BADGE NAME line was what was going to be on the badge.? ? Maybe this is a good thing, and people will pay more attention to that information. No one deeply regrets the loss of the show room more than me - I CAN GUARANTEE THAT - but, we have always had a showroom in the past. This Industry changes on a dime, and we have to accept those changes.

I am sure that he and others took for granted, that everyone gave us information on the parties (they always have in the past) - but again this is a new 'day and age - things change. Maybe sponsors have learned also that the production people are not mind readers, and have to have this info to pass on to the attendees. I hope they have learned the importance of cooperation. Cooperation is essential for something of this size to be well organized.

I think maybe Daniel has also learned from the experience - I sure have. We have always tried new things at every show & these were gained by us listening to what attendees have to say & trying to implement their ideas where we can. Maybe, if I had not become ill on the first day - I would have been more assessible and Daniel and I might have talked about his grievances - but we have to accept the way things turned out, learn our lessons and move on.

I have .... so let's all let Daniel rest. I am sure he is not a bad person - just a disappointed one who found unorthodox ways to voice it. I am OK with it. Disappointed, but know that there are just some things beyond our control. So, let's just let it go, and consider that we all learned something here.