Trends in the business...

[Crak_JMan]

Originally posted by BobbyR
I agree with VirtuMike that Thai Food is an excellent choice for lunch or dinner and that trend will most likely continue.

But what about Sushi

[Evil Chris]

Originally posted by JMan
But what about Sushi

JMan, you're turning into a Vancouverite already I see.

[12clicks]

The trend? how about this?

People we all know going underground, making boatloads of cash and not let anyone know what they're doing.
It's happening all around you right now gentlemen.

[Kath]

Originally posted by McSpike
There are many BS stories circulating around european payment options it makes me sick and everyone is pointing on the dialers. Fucken dialers. Europeans like them as much as US customers. Europeans having no credit cards? DUH! Ya right. And what about Asia?

There is a company called Sex Money that saw this gap and saw what ibill, ccbill and all other most common used processors didn't.

I see this as a new thing that will shake and connect the net even more in the coming years than all the paysites with a twist that are coming out each year.

WOW...what an awesome thread..

As I was reading I was very impressed to see so many webmasters touch on geo-targeting and global traffic. We have ignored the world for far too long. I think it's great that webmasters are becoming educated on the tastes and preferences of their International surfers.

They DO have credit cards - they just don't USE them the way we do here. Sincerely - many Europeans think it laughable that we use our credit cards the way they use debit cards for little purchases, daily expenses and Internet use.... They use cards more for travel purposes like hotels, car rentals, airfare, etc... and of course they think we're awful silly for paying off one credit card with another.

Anyway...aside from the whole geo-targeting thing - one trend I really see is an actual INTEREST in learning more about our traffic, what to do with it, how to properly target it, sell to it and cater to our surfers' needs. I think gone are the days of "F*CK the SURFER* - now we're finally down to the professional tactic of properly servicing and accomodating the customer.

I think this says a lot for our industry - on many levels. Sincerely...we've come a LONG WAY baby!!!!

[gunner]

I will be calling George Dub-ya today to discuss what he needs to do
about Internet porn. Hell, we may even conference call Ashcroft and let him throw in his $ .02. Then i'm driving over to VISA headquarters, taped from head to toe with plastique explosives, and marching directly into VISA CEO Carl Pascarella's office...

I'll get it all worked out. Don't worry.

[Crak_JMan]

Originally posted by 12clicks
The trend? how about this?

People we all know going underground, making boatloads of cash and not let anyone know what they're doing.
It's happening all around you right now gentlemen.

Damn right on that one

[Platinum Dave]

Reality, Free, email, spam (cleaning up)

Alot of good things are happening in the industry I see a trend moving towards cleaning up the industry.

Which is good to see,

[Vid Vicious]

Since everybody else got they're rants in, I'll add mine ..


Reality Content .. lately it sucks .. and the reason is simple .. too many newbies that wanna fuck on tape are buying a digital camera and callin themselves a Pornagrapher .. the footage is pure crap, no lighting skills, no color balance and best of all Audio is from the on camera mics (the cheapest mics you'll ever find) ...


I've shot lots of reality tv for broadcast (on tv) and yes we use lights and do set things up .. it's only normal if you want a decent image and some what of a good story line, u need to prepare this .. So in atticipation of this trend ... My next site is going to zero in on production values and show people that Pro shooters and pro Content producers make a difference! ... Look out for this site launch right before Cybernet .. next week some time

Ok my rave and plug are over .

[poppy]

Wow, some great insight here! So that I don't repeat what has been said, one thing that has truly taken off and I don't think it was mentioned, is MPA2. I am not just plugging for Oystein, even though he is a sexy tall Norweigan...hahahaha j/k.

Seriously though, their program has performed well and really taken off. For those who don't know about MPA2, in a nutshell it is cascading billing.

[StuartD]

Originally posted by 12clicks
The trend? how about this?

People we all know going underground, making boatloads of cash and not let anyone know what they're doing.
It's happening all around you right now gentlemen.

t'is true... it's why you don't see owners at their booths or at conventions at all much anymore. It's why you don't even see some booths...

it's also why you don't see the "players" posting much.. they lurk, but don't post much.

Time is $$ and these parties that people call conventions and the drama on the boards just isn't worth the time.

The people we'd all like to meet and model ourselves after (or at least, our successes).. they're getting harder to find.

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by poppy
Wow, some great insight here! So that I don't repeat what has been said, one thing that has truly taken off and I don't think it was mentioned, is MPA2. I am not just plugging for Oystein, even though he is a sexy tall Norweigan...hahahaha j/k.

Seriously though, their program has performed well and really taken off. For those who don't know about MPA2, in a nutshell it is cascading billing.

Sorry but that was the biggest spam post I have ever seen. Not saying it is not a great program, but there are many other great programs out there as well. This thread was about trends in the industry, but way to throw out a nice pure spam message.

Hopefully that is something that will change in the future when these stronger message boards survive.

AJ

[Ounique]

Originally posted by Toolz
I'm with Bobby on this one, more "real" reality based porn is definetly in the future, some survivor type stuff, Playboy TV is doing this with Seven Lives Exposed but it's definetly too commercial to be believable. Put 20 people on an island ala Fox, but have it be hardcore, definetly a good idea.

Have you seen a video called "Erotic Survivor"? It's a softcore take-off of Survivor and it's very cheezy (two girls are searching in the forest for food and find a Tappioca Bush and proceed to rub the pudding all over each other and then lick it off). But it's a lot of fun. Sorry, this is off topic, but you reminded me of this.

[oystein]

Originally posted by AcidMaX
Sorry but that was the biggest spam post I have ever seen. Not saying it is not a great program, but there are many other great programs out there as well. This thread was about trends in the industry, but way to throw out a nice pure spam message.

Hopefully that is something that will change in the future when these stronger message boards survive.

AJ

Oh I have seen much worse spam many many times before buddy

Poppy just told me about this link and he is not affiliated with my company at all, so all I can do is thank him for the nice post and thank you for making noise about this.

[BobbyR]

Originally posted by oystein
Oh I have seen much worse spam many many times before buddy

Poppy just told me about this link and he is not affiliated with my company at all, so all I can do is thank him for the nice post and thank you for making noise about this.

Cascading Billing is a definately a trend in this Industry and the Mansion Productions software is leading the way. So...I'll help continue making noise.

Poppy just likes to give credit where credit is due...

[Evil Chris]

Triplexcash is using MPA2 now.
In fact we just started, and I am still playing with the admin area.
It's pretty impressive.

I wouldn't call the use of such software a trend though. This kind of thing has always been done. The major difference now is that when we go to a 2nd or 3rd processor because of decline, we are no longer permitted to carry over the credit card information. Everything else (name, etc..) is fair game, but they have to fill out the CC info again.

Still, it's well worth it to use such a system and can immediately increase your sales by 20%.

[oystein]

A trend is only a trend when more than one is doing it.

From Dictionary.com:

"trend ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trnd) n.

1. The general direction in which something tends to move.
2. A general tendency or inclination. See Synonyms at tendency.
3. Current style; vogue: the latest trend in fashion. "



Before Mansion Productions made cascading billing ready and available for the "masses" this was considered an anamoly and very expensive to implement. Now that more than just a few use it, I will go as far as to say that cascading now is one of the the latest trends in the adult entertainment internet industry for sure...

[Amber]

Great thread!...and excellent discussions.

Oystein is top notch in my book! - and if Poppy comes out on the boards to say some good things about someone, I for one will listen.

Regarding the 'marketing people' in our industry...I feel that some get a little lost along the way and are just trying to make a buck (thus jumping from one co. to another) instead of focusing on customer service and helping fellow webmasters increase their income...thereby, increasing the marketing persons income too (that is, if they are in any way on commissions).

IMHO, the best marketers are webmasters who attend shows with 'business first' always in mind and understand that at the strip clubs, at the after-hour clubs, at the black-jack tables and even at the private fuck show...they are representing a company and how they act will always be a direct reflection of that company, period.

You don't see most of the big boys fucking around on pissing match boards (XNations NOT included...this board ROCKS) because they are busy working and making money. 12clicks, I think you nailed it (pun intended ;>).

And before I finish my little bitch session...I want to share that I think the BEST marketers are first and foremost *successful webmasters in their own right that choose to stand behind a program, product and/or company because they themselves know the people involved and promote/use the program through their own sites. Who would know better which programs are the best than seasoned webmasters who have promoted the sponsor program prior to them working/marketing for them.

Of course, there are some exceptions to my rule; but in the seven years I've been an adult webmaster...this philosophy has worked well for me anyway.

And that my friends...is all she wrote.

[spaceboy]

Originally posted by Hashishan
yes, and they seem to be in love with the idea of imposing extremely strict rules on any site to be called "tgp2" or at least the handful i have met

they also seem to spend so much time parroting each other, if you meet 4 in one place just talk to 1 of them and you can hear what they all have to say

imagine night of the living dead, only instead of moaning "brains, BRAINS" they are saying "tgp2, TGP2"

all the anal retentive bullcrap that the diehard tgp2 people spout is what throttled tgp2, imo

TGP2 is trying to do a number of different things, not just sell more memberships. Every TGP reform thread I've seen has 95% to 99% of WM's bitching about various aspects of the model, including the insane number of rule combinations.

TGP2....the reformed TGP2.... , has one rule set for all. Of course, it's up to site admins to use those rules, but most have seen the advantage of having a central rule set.

WM's can read the rules ONE TIME, build ONE GALLERY, and submit to ALL SITES within the network, and the pool! Try that with TGP and you'll be out of the submission business inside of a day. TGP admins complain about WM's not reading the rules, but their rule pages look like the city dump, take forever to read and are essentially addressed to cheaters and newbies who probably aren't reading the damn things anyways!

As it was, one of the major gripes that TGP2 burnouts had was the rule variations that cropped up. If we go that route again, it will die again.

We would probably all tweak the rules a little differently if we were king, and there's nothing stopping us from running with our own individual projects, but 'TGP2' *needs* to provide the structure that TGP lacks. Fortunately, this structure allows plenty of room for the WM to make sales. The freedom it provides is like a breath of fresh air compared to TGP, so most {edited here} seem willing to compromise and play ball when they otherwise might not.

Perhaps in the next few years, there will be a number of variations that will spring up and be successfull. If it sells better than TGP, it can't be all bad, so I say go for it! But just as many TGP'ers work CJ and AVS, it's a good idea to put a little time into TGP2 as well. Supporting TGP2 now will help to spawn similar projects in the future.

Here's some TGP2 info links.

http://sexhornysex.com/sexy/tgp2-info.htm

[AcidMaX]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
Triplexcash is using MPA2 now.
In fact we just started, and I am still playing with the admin area.
It's pretty impressive.

I wouldn't call the use of such software a trend though. This kind of thing has always been done. The major difference now is that when we go to a 2nd or 3rd processor because of decline, we are no longer permitted to carry over the credit card information. Everything else (name, etc..) is fair game, but they have to fill out the CC info again.

Still, it's well worth it to use such a system and can immediately increase your sales by 20%.

Which was simply my point, MPA2 in itself is not the trend, cascading billing is. I dont have a problem with MPA2 myself and I have looked at it, they did a good job on it thats for sure. Just simply looked like a spam in the middle of a good Industry Trends thread.

Moving on...

Originally posted by StuartD
Seriously? Jeeze... maybe I do have some potential after all

Here's the test: can you picture yourself wearing pajamas and with 50 bunnies around you?

[oystein]

I agree that MPA2 is not a trend but that cascading billing definately is. No doubt. Good point. I must say, however, that Mansion Productions' creation of MPA2 was a good trigger for this trend with marketing of the product in an outstanding way and educating webmasters about the huge advantages using cascading billing solutions. So I am agreeing to agree on this point

On another note, I have personally seen a positive trend where webmasters now are getting better at protecting themselves and their business. The trend was that lots of webmasters stole ideas and content, now this has shiftet over to the other side where webmasters and content producers are starting to crack down on all the theft by taking action and actually go after companies that are blatantly stealing ideas and properties. Great trend if you ask me. Webmaster community finally starting to police themselves and nipping serious issues in the butt...

[Evil Chris]

AcidMax, you have made me realize another trend in our business, that of spam sensitivity.

I'm not being facetious either. There's no problem with this however some people go a little overboard with spam calls to people who might just otherwise be trying to drum up a little honest business.

[oystein]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
AcidMax, you have made me realize another trend in our business, that of spam sensitivity.

I'm not being facetious either. There's no problem with this however some people go a little overboard with spam calls to people who might just otherwise be trying to drum up a little honest business.

To be quite honest, I never knew of this boards existence before Poppy sent me an ICQ with the link to the post. Now I am actually enjoying it. Seems to be a quite nice board.

And Amber - Miss ya! Lets do lunch! I am buying!

[BobbyR]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
AcidMax, you have made me realize another trend in our business, that of spam sensitivity.

I'm not being facetious either. There's no problem with this however some people go a little overboard with spam calls to people who might just otherwise be trying to drum up a little honest business.

I agree with you Chris. This isn't directed at AcidMax at all but in the comment in general...

I advertise at X-Nations because everyone is friendly and I can post information about my program without getting yelled at for it. This is the one of the few places where I know my message will get recieved.

I was considering advertising at another popular board last week for a new product. My salesman introduced himself on that board a few days ago. He posted he was new, his name and where he worked including a URL and got slammed left and right for spamming. There were some positive posts but about 50% of his welcome was a big "fuck off". The board of course, lost my business.

[Amber]

Originally posted by oystein
...
And Amber - Miss ya! Lets do lunch! I am buying!

I miss you too, Oystein!...it would be my pleasure to have lunch with you; Anytime.

Will I see you in Miami?...I hope so - we'll have to do some late-night hanging too (ya know, we'll bust out some old-school maxin' and relaxin' - LOL).

BobbyR, I totally agree; XNations is The Bomb board and one of the few that I read regularly (and actually care about what's said here). Besides, there aren't many people as awesome as EvilChris, in or outside the biz as far as I'm concerned.

Hope ya'll have an excellent day...and by all means, enjoy the weekend to the fullest!

[StuartD]

Originally posted by Feynman
Here's the test: can you picture yourself wearing pajamas and with 50 bunnies around you?

Can I? I think you mean.. "do I?"

either way, the answer is the same

[12clicks]

Originally posted by StuartD
Can I? I think you mean.. "do I?"

either way, the answer is the same

Don't listen to Amber, she is evil.

[Crak_JMan]

Originally posted by 12clicks
Don't listen to Amber, she is evil.

Is she evil or Quasi-evil... That is the question

[StuartD]

Originally posted by JMan
Is she evil or Quasi-evil... That is the question

The diet coke of evil... just one calorie.. not enough.

[LaurieX]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
AcidMax, you have made me realize another trend in our business, that of spam sensitivity.

I'm not being facetious either. There's no problem with this however some people go a little overboard with spam calls to people who might just otherwise be trying to drum up a little honest business.

You hit it right on the nose Chris. It is one thing to BLATANTLY spam your company or product but it is another to talk good about a company that you think has a great product. I think the whole purpose of message boards is to share ideas and make new business deals benefiting everyone. All too many times I see someone talking about a product they like and get told to fuck off. But if someone says "I'd like to screw her mother" well then thats cool and the person that started the thread gets a thumbs up. There are so many nice and awesome webmasters in this industry but at the same time there are so many angry ones that are just waiting to blame someone one for spam cause they have nothing better to do. We all need remember that we are all in this industry together and we need to work together and make better relationships so that we ALL are sucessful.

This post is not directed towards anyone at all just in general. I have just seen this too many times and I have kept my mouth shut soooo many times. But I fianally feel the need to say something because this is just not the vibe at Xnations. The vibe at X nations is nice and positive and respectful and that is why I feel at home here. There are other boards that I will not ever visit any more due to all the bullshit and people talking down to one another.

Anyhow just my 2 cents. Have a great weekend everyone =)