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07-16-2003, 03:12 PM
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BoSelecta
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Is everyone against opt-in lists?
Is everyone against them?
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07-16-2003, 03:23 PM
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Evil Chris
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single opt-in?
Yes, I would think most everyone agrees that it's not the way to go. There's no confirmation that the person actually asked to be included on the list.
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07-17-2003, 05:04 AM
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wsjb78
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I don't know how many single-optin lists there are out there that tell me each day that I have subscribed to their spam...
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07-17-2003, 07:02 AM
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Johny Traffic
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Double opt in is the way to go
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07-17-2003, 08:32 AM
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adamneve
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Quote:
Originally posted by Johny Traffic
Double opt in is the way to go
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right on, and if somebody has them please send them to us...
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07-19-2003, 12:38 AM
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McAttack
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In our minds yes double opt-in is better and protects us, but in the eyes of the law, is it really protection? I mean, the person agrees to receive a newsletter from A company, or information about products offered by A company. Then that email list gets sold once THAT company has done running most of it's products through it.
I've never seen a mail gatherer say "We'll send you emails about our stuff and we'll most likely sell your email to another company"
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07-19-2003, 01:35 AM
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SykkBoy
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Quote:
Originally posted by McAttack
In our minds yes double opt-in is better and protects us, but in the eyes of the law, is it really protection? I mean, the person agrees to receive a newsletter from A company, or information about products offered by A company. Then that email list gets sold once THAT company has done running most of it's products through it.
I've never seen a mail gatherer say "We'll send you emails about our stuff and we'll most likely sell your email to another company"
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Generaly that is covered under the "our marketing partners" phrase that often appears in disclaimers.
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07-19-2003, 04:40 AM
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StuartD
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I think BoSelecta here already knows my stand point on this issue.
And I can see the point that if someone is a double opt-in, then they really want porn. It makes them more valuable.
however, I still don't take practice in it, because I don't believe in it.
Like McAttack said... Company A gets your concent to send you emails about virtually anything. And then Company A sells it to Company B. Company B not only doesn't have your concent, but you have never heard of Company B before in your life. And now all of a sudden, they're sending you virtually anything as if you've been best friends since high school.
Well, to me... that's spam. Like I said, I can see how it's "better" than traditional spam... but... it's still spam. If you don't want to hear from Company B, don't want them to have your email address, don't even know who they are... and they send you stuff asking you to buy what ever they're selling... that's spam.... no matter how many times you opted in to Company A's list.
My question is... what happens when it then gets sold to Company C? or D? or E?
It's still a double opt-in email isn't it? Meanwhile you've gone from a porn site to another porn site to a gambling site to a penis pill site to a breast enlargement site to a university diploma site and so on... but it's all quite ok because you did the double opt-in thing with a website once... with Company A.
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07-19-2003, 05:03 AM
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wsjb78
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Very well said Stuart!
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07-19-2003, 10:31 AM
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Panky
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I agree with Stuart.
Who really reads their email anyway? The only ones I read are from people who I actually know, newsletters, and updates from sponsors. The rest, gets filtered and never read.
If you want to advertise, use newsletters and ad spots in sponsor emails.
I know there is safelists that people join to send ads to other members, but who actually reads the ads? People just use them to send their ad like once a day to everyone on the list. Very few actually take the time to read all the emails from everyone else on the list.
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07-19-2003, 02:41 PM
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mailman
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well said Stuy!
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07-19-2003, 04:24 PM
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SykkBoy
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Quote:
Originally posted by Panky
Who really reads their email anyway? The only ones I read are from people who I actually know, newsletters, and updates from sponsors. The rest, gets filtered and never read.
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I read them if they are of interest to me. I've bought a lot of things from spam emails. I, personally, don't trust downloadable stuff like software and ebooks because they can gerenally cause more problems.
I've bought a lot of books, videos, collcetibales, etc. all through links sent to me in emails. Probably moreso than anything I've clicked on a banner that has interested me.
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