5 years from now?

[Evil Chris]

This industry seems to change so fast.

Companies that were up and coming a couple years ago are completely gone. People and board personalities that once upon a time everyone knew are long gone and doing other things in life. I see myself doing much the same thing 5 years from now, with a more expanded employment and operations.

Do you think things like 2257 and other government influences will radically affect your day-to-day operations and activities within the business? Or possibly, will your personal (home) situation affect your involvement in the online business?

Without giving away anything you might have coming up, where do you see yourself and/or your business in 5 years time?

[Big Fish]

I know that there's been a couple "outside forces" that have changed the way I personally do business. ACACIA and 2257 being said outside forces.

I can't believe how the industry has changed in the last few years.

[Anthony]

Adult is dead.

Few if any companies are making the money they once were.

I can get any porn I want, for free.

[King Adam]

Well thats a tuff question. Most people don't get to where they want to be in 5 years. There's always things that come up in their personal life or something with their business doesn't take off the way they want. Only a few truly achieve their goals.

For me, well, business has changed a lot since I started in 1998. Back then, I could make easy money submitting TGPs to AL4A, the Hun and others. I didn't even have to pay for top spots. Then when I worked for Busty-Amateurs.com, it was easy to run a pay site. There weren't a million around. Back then, there was really only one affiliate software, RiverStyx and we didn't use it. We just used Paycoms software. That site was doing over $250K a month. Boy, the good old days.

Now things are much different. All these new laws, competition, cheaters and other various problems. This is why its good to work around a certain saying, "Don't Put All Your Eggs In One Basket". As of 2 years ago, I started an investment company with a partner. We buy up nice homes and set them up as short term vacation rentals. I had always wanted to get into real estate and since our industry started getting saturated with companies, I thought it would be a good idea to have a backup plan.

So, in five years. I hope that the laws governing our industry don't make it impossible to work in it. I hope to continue to be successful in my adult internet ventures. Our new program is about to launch ... www.SideCash.com. It will be a mainstream and adult affiliate program. But I also hope to have 5 more rentals setup as well. The goal is to buy a new place each year.

So for me, its a combination of things. But one must always have backup plans. My tastes have gotten a bit expensive over the years and I don't want to have to go back to bartending and construction work

I think this industry used to be very tight knit. I do not see that any longer. I personally think this business makes a lot of people unhappy. they have no life since they have to work 24/7, they act like they want to help you when in truth they don't give a shit.

No matter what we do in life we will have to come across some kind of obstacle but porn is here to stay, despite the Gov't influences.

In 5 years I hope not to be doing this and just doing my mainstream full time.

[princess]

I'm one of those ones that's been around for like 8 years. I think most of us get tired of some of the BS. The new webmasters that come in with hellasish attitudes and do nothing but put people down and cuss others out. I don't think the industry as a whole takes it as serious as they once did. Too many kids playing too many games gets old really quick.

2257 and such plays a good part on how the industry has changed. But for the most part I think it's attitudes.

[Bratt]

Originally posted by gnat69
I think this industry used to be very tight knit. I do not see that any longer. I personally think this business makes a lot of people unhappy. they have no life since they have to work 24/7, they act like they want to help you when in truth they don't give a shit.

No matter what we do in life we will have to come across some kind of obstacle but porn is here to stay, despite the Gov't influences.

In 5 years I hope not to be doing this and just doing my mainstream full time.

I couldn't have said it better myself! I definately don't see the closeness that there was when I first started. Everyone knew each other, sure there were rivals, but for the most part, it was a very close knit family of folks.
In 5 years, i also hope to be mainstream full time and living on a beach somewhere... maybe in Mexico or somewhere warm and exotic... of course with a waterfall in the vacinity (I love waterfalls).

[Quagmire]

I don't have enough faith in ANY industry to give 100% to it.

I have a mix of online work, and I'm presently expanding my investment in to the property market. In 5 years I hope to still be working on several projects like I am now or retired with my investments carrying my living expenses, but being retired is a very very VERY long shot.

[sweetums]

I don't see government regulations necessarily being at the crux of people's life changes in this biz necessarily - most people I've met over the last 5 years are still around and have aimed to work within any regulations that have arisen in that time - a great majority have adapted and are still here.

I think people's decisions to stick around will have a lot to do with whether or not they're willing to adapt to an industry that is in its period of self and external regulation - every new industry goes through this phase at some point -- and, it's always dependent on what's going on in their personal life.

Now in terms of me personally - right now I'm just trying to tackle each year at a time

[Anthony]

Any of you think mainstream is easier?

There's even more competition on this side of the fence.

Top it off, your competition are the biggest idiots on this side of adult. Forget trying to learn, they would rather steal.

[Magnus3x]

I was just saying the same thing the other day.. I wish I could take a snap of the scope of people at the shows and the people I talk to on a daily business. Cuz it doesn't look anywhere near the same as it did and I am a late bloomer starting in the biz in late 1999.

Vegas especially makes me go Hmmmm.. so many people I have never seen or heard of.. spending hundreds of thousands on launches and booths and want to spend big on deals etc (well not so much this year..) then 6 months later they are gone and never to be heard from again.

The factors are many, sure we can say the usual sky is falling BS from Visa, billing, 2257, Acasia..you rarely hear that word anymore.. yet it was HUGE news a few years back. But I think some of the old school peeps didn't want to adapt as the money never came as easy as it did in the mid 90's, so they have moved on to mainstream or other bigger and better opportunities. The new players come in with loads of cash but with super high expectations and some have had a lack of experience to make the projects fly as well as projected.

There is still loads of cash to be made in this biz and with all the new stuff coming down the pipe those with aggressive and original ideas, some $$$, hard work ethic and the ability to adapt to the ever evolving times will be winners!

[Nancy M00re]

Originally posted by Evil Chris
Or possibly, will your personal (home) situation affect your involvement in the online business?

I actually think That if I leave this industry, the home situation will be in cause. Having two teenagers at home with a father that past away about 4 years ago and being obligated to travel a couple of times a year, makes it harder and harder every time. While I was in Phoenix, my youngest ( 13 ) was ejected from school and I was totally powerless since I was far. I do have great support at home so this might be working out for now but depending on the next shows and how it goes... the future is very incertain... I have to admit though, It would break my heart if I ever have to leave

Oh and I am forgetting to mention that the kids still don't know what I do for a living... I am trying to wait as long as I can before I get to tell them.
I need to leave the goodies in the office now that they understand English

[XxXotic]

I'll still be here

[Kay]

My, my Chris, you definitely hit a good topic here.

The adult industry has changed so much in the last 7-8 years. I remember the good old days when my paysite, BabyGotBack.com, was actually the first true amateur-run website to feature multiple girls. Wow, how I had the corner on the market and didn't even quite realize it! The money rolled in easily and I had no idea how things were to change in the years ahead.

While it has certainly gotten more difficult to make this business profitable (the adult industry in general), I still believe and enjoy my work tremendously. I have, as someone else put it, made sure all my eggs weren't in one basket, however. I still have my membership site, which does respectively well in today's industry environment, but now I also run and am even expanding other sites, including the Certified network of sites (CertifiedAmateurs.com, etc.). I also have plans for some new networks, which I'm not ready to let out of the bag yet. In addition to adult, I have ventured into some non-adult business, including being a part owner in a travel agency and managing three travel websites for our company.

In five years I look forward to seeing my travel agency grow, as sales are doing well and the industry is simply one that will continue to do well. I also, however, look forward to the work in the adult industry that I do. I believe while some things like the growing availability of free porn, legislative changes and other factors already mentioned in this thread will continue to change our industry, I don't believe it will ever be a dead industry. There are always going to be people (men in general) looking for the type of adult material they like (be it amateur, fetish, etc.) and while sites may come and go, the ones that are managed well -- and managed smart -- will continue to thrive. Gone are the days where hap-hazard web authoring can make a lot of money in this industry, however for those who run their sites well and continue to learn and grow the business will still turn a profit. After all, this is a BUSINESS and anyone who is not treating it as such will have difficulty. Learning and trying new things in marketing, site development and getting to know what the online customers are looking for are really important. I also believe that while there is a lot of free porn out there, many customers don't want the bullshit that comes along with finding that. Thus, there are customers willing to join membership sites, removing the eyesores of ads, popups and other annoying things utilized in free porn sites.

Another thing to consider in the next five years of growth is that things are changing -- mobile porn is emerging, albeit slowly, and other new niche and trends are growing quickly -- like blogging, and even niche blogging. Keeping up with the times is especially important in this industry -- looking toward new trends and not relying solely on what worked "back in the day", when making money in this industry really didn't take a lot of talent or planning.

Keep it fresh, keep looking for new ideas and keep learning... that's the way to continued success in today's adult industry.

Just my .02 for what it's worth!

Kay

[SykkBoy]

The industry will continue on...new programs will come and go, some of old guard will pack it in, by choice or not....the industry itself will still keep going on.

I've found I'm more productive now that I'm more of a corporate 9-5er who takes weekends to spend time with my kids and not chained to a computer. I used to think I had to spend 12-15-20 hours a day/7 days a week on a computer but I found it was burning me out and no matter how many hours I spent "working", I was actually just going through motions and actually being less productive.

[Anthony]

Originally posted by Magnus3x
I was just saying the same thing the other day.. I wish I could take a snap of the scope of people at the shows and the people I talk to on a daily business. Cuz it doesn't look anywhere near the same as it did and I am a late bloomer starting in the biz in late 1999.

Vegas especially makes me go Hmmmm.. so many people I have never seen or heard of.. spending hundreds of thousands on launches and booths and want to spend big on deals etc (well not so much this year..) then 6 months later they are gone and never to be heard from again.

The factors are many, sure we can say the usual sky is falling BS from Visa, billing, 2257, Acasia..you rarely hear that word anymore.. yet it was HUGE news a few years back. But I think some of the old school peeps didn't want to adapt as the money never came as easy as it did in the mid 90's, so they have moved on to mainstream or other bigger and better opportunities. The new players come in with loads of cash but with super high expectations and some have had a lack of experience to make the projects fly as well as projected.

There is still loads of cash to be made in this biz and with all the new stuff coming down the pipe those with aggressive and original ideas, some $$$, hard work ethic and the ability to adapt to the ever evolving times will be winners!

There will be money to be made for people who do what you do, provide a service.

Just like Hosting, Design, etc...

When I first started I made a very healthy 6 figure income as a freesite webmaster back in 99.

I doubt you will find a handful know that just do free sites that can say the same.

When I joined Nick, we did 300 to 500 sales a day to our own sites back in 2001. I doubt you can find very may paysites that can do it. Fuck, I know we couldn't do it now.

The pie is too small with too many ppl trying to get their share. The Gold Rush has been over for some time now, and it's an industry where those who "Support" the prospectors are making the bank.

[Rochard]

Hello!



Sorry, couldn't resist.

Yes, people have come and gone. People are attracted to our industry for a host of reasons, some because they think it's easy money and others because they are just plain attracted to the porn aspect of our industry and a burning desire to naked chicks in public. Some of us in the industry - no names mentioned - had no real connection to the industry, attended one of our conventions, made a few friends, and then found themselves addicted.

What most people fail to understand is that this is a business, not unlike any other. The hours are insane; I was here in the ICS offices from 8am until 1am the following morning, only to find myself right back here at 8am again. (I'm exhausted.) It also takes business skills, management skills, and most importantly - accounting. Most people fail in this business because they lack these basic skills.

Another thing that cracks me is people, like the one pictured above, who come blazing on the scene, quickly create an interesting personality / reputation for themselves, only to make some very bad choices and have their reputation and thus their business destroyed. This looks easy, and after working for a medium sized company for a short time they think they are a "God" in our industry only to discover that it isn't that easy and takes a huge amount of effort.

I'd also venture to guess that we will see some huge hurdles in the near future, mostly in the part of new laws. Issues such as Acacia will not much of a problem; They thought we would role over and instead we spanked their ass. The problem will be from the Goverments. Playboy, Penthouse, and Hustler fought a twenty year battle to publish their respective mags; We haven't begun our battle and we as a group surely do not have the morals and values that the mag publishers have - Not with some of the sites we are pushing. I see new laws in the future where free porn will be banned, or perhaps huge restrictions on certain TLDs.

In many ways our industry is just like any other industry in it's early stages - The strong will survive, and the weak will parish. We already see this where the larger companies are dominating everything. (Name the last time you went to a show and attended a party from a company you've never heard of before....)

This is a wonderful industry to be in. But it's a serious business and those who are serious about it will still be here five years from now.

/rant

[Kay]

Originally posted by Rochard
This is a wonderful industry to be in. But it's a serious business and those who are serious about it will still be here five years from now.

Exactly.

[Anthony]

Gold Rush is over.

One of my earliest mentors and closest friend made over 30 million in 2000 from adult...

How many can say that for 2005?

Adult is dead, mainstream isn't any better.

This isn't making money from air anymore, five years it's gonna get worse with the proclivity of webmasters to give out even MORE FREE PORN.

[Vid Vicious]

everybody seems to have theyère resons to iether stay in this industry or to leave it .. Most reason seem to be personal.

Sure we've lost some great ones along the way .. but every day newer peeps join this awesome industry, and even more seem to surprise us daily. In my humble opinion the industry isn't dead nor will it ver be .. Sex will always be a part of our lives and Gov''t will always want to suppress it .. As long as the gov't trys to shut us down, more people will want what we have to sell .. Its a catch 22 .. No matter what, Injuctions, Ammendments, Laws, Court cases ...etc .. The more the better ..

See it as free Marketing. The more the adult Industry is in the news, the more memberships are sold, The more Magazines fly off the shelf .. and more DVDs get sold and produced ...

State of the Industry you say? ... The state is fine, keep your nose clean and you can go far in this bussiness .. Pay your dues early on and reep the rewards later on.

[qwebecexpo]

Originally posted by Rochard
Hello!


Yes, people have come and gone. People are attracted to our industry for a host of reasons, some because they think it's easy money and others because they are just plain attracted to the porn aspect of our industry and a burning desire to naked chicks in public. Some of us in the industry - no names mentioned - had no real connection to the industry, attended one of our conventions, made a few friends, and then found themselves addicted.

.....


This is a wonderful industry to be in. But it's a serious business and those who are serious about it will still be here five years from now.

/rant

Wow Rochard I can't explain better

Princess is also corrct. I remember we were talking with Marc Laffer (Adult Chamber) at Intx Vegas few years agom and we were saying that is sad seeing the Adult industry "runned" by Kids... With their "Player" and "FUCK OFF" attitude ...


Well, in five year, we do plan to still run our QWEBEC Expo show in a larger version and still be the main show for the North-East region...

[TheLegacy]

When I first started off mid 90’s in the adult industry everyone was just getting ramped up and sowing new fields. Creativity and technical knowledge along with design savvy was gold while traffic seemed to pour into any site being made – demand was higher than supply. Ideas were passed around more than Paris Hilton except made better each time until the start of the millennium everyone sort of stood up and realized that they reached the limits of technology plus the digital playing field multiplied so fast – traffic is now gold.

The Market has grown – take for instance the gay market that was once scraping by within its own circles and with memberships mostly of gay and closet straight men (mostly marriage seeking to expand their tastes). No one wanted to discuss the gay market as a source considering the pink dollar as valueless with webmasters avoiding being associated with any content that would give their friends and associates the idea that they are homosexual as well. Now the estimated annual value of the gay and lesbian market is known at $515 billion. It is estimated that 21% of gay and lesbian households have income greater than $100,000 per year, and 28% have income greater than $50,000 per year. It is estimated that 62% own a personal computer. An astonishing 71% of gay and lesbian online users have made credit card purchases online. What is now the issue is first: how can the straight webmasters get into the market and secondly: the gay webmasters how to keep them out for fear of loss of integrity feelings that it simply isn’t a matter of content, but a moral / cultural issue. That particular group is slowly diminishing but the few who are left do have a voice that is heard loudly.

Production of content in all its forms gay and straight has changed a great deal as we factor in our members. There is so much free content out there and foreign that producers no longer dictate what webmasters will get – instead the age of content being king is gone. Now content producers are out of touch with webmasters and their member’s tastes. Free content has hurt, but the lack of knowing where the tastes of surfers have hurt even more. What’s hot is everyone’s concern. Celebrity – amateur models and foreign content helped our bottom dollar – but what is the next big thing? Hopefully technology holds the answer and we will break the barrier of interaction – instead of seeing the model but to feel - sense and smell what is happening in a reality broadcast that will confuse our ability to know what is real and not.

Relationships between once good business friends out to make a buck together with the attitude of “there is more than enough to go around” suddenly turned on each other – clients were stolen – digital reputations were needed to be created because of the boom in new faces until now a vile word in the mid-90’s is now a sought after title, “PIMP”. We never wanted to be pimps back in the beginning – we wanted to make money together and there was a brotherhood – a code of ethics if you will - instead of a bullying attitude. Unlike earlier years of the net where everyone was learning now employee’s got web smart, networking and more aware of how valuable the client lists and knowledge gleaned from the company they work with - mistrust grew between them and management – as management morphed - standing in front of vault doors like Gollum referring to their money, traffic, technology and client lists as “my precious”. Truth be told the majority of webmasters / salespeople and managers are making between 40 to 80,000USD while the bulk are lower. Only a few who have found their niche are in the millions. Yet those figures are not available to anyone since bragging of ones income tends to diminish the more you acquire. I have always found that the sales are made in the quiet dark corners of conventions and not in the front row staring at girls doing mud wrestling. Call yourself whatever you want – but the true leaders of this industry first do not see themselves as such – and would just as much call themselves privileged businessmen in retirement. They meet on exclusive island getaways for the required tax loopholes of having their money offshore and find the antics of the young raise too much negative awareness to an industry that was once shrouded in secrecy.

Legally the government because of a lack of understanding left the Internet alone for much of the time until they heard of the billions we are making along with heightened awareness of criminal activity against children / women and were putting us at blame. Some portions of the legitimate Adult Internet have falsely been lumped into the "whole", when actually most problem sites are foreign ones that malign the "whole". I feel that most of the legitimate Adult Internet totally detests CP in every way and supports its total elimination! Sadly mainstream does not see it as that. To them a webmaster is a cover name for a “pedo” – future sexual predator. Heightened awareness from the religious community who have become aware of the adult internet market during these years has given them ammunition in the pulpit and government hallways. To acknowledge our market as an “industry” would give credibility and enrage special interest groups who feel that we degrade models and harm society including the marriage values. We can only hope that as the world learns more of the internet they will also learn more about the people behind it. That we are their next door neighbors that they sometime ask to baby-sit – or their pastor, boss, real estate agent, police officer, lawyer and family member who needs a second income.

Foreign soil seemed the only place to consider having your banking and content shot, but not a market we wanted to go after. If supply and demand were the key to success then North American companies would seek a stronger foothold in foreign turf – but we aren’t. Try to find a good webmaster chat board for instance. We want the world to come to us but due to over-saturation, lack of creativity and technology boundaries the industry is forced to turn its head towards oversea markets to regain those past glory days. Whether it’s a lack of capital, vision, distain, drive, unwelcome, comfort level, common ground, ignorance, arrogance, currency differences, financial institutions, technology, uncertainty or simply language barrier – most companies would rather stay within the confines of the border surrounding North America as a whole. This will change in the future as we stretch out our efforts to worldwide.

Mainstream today unlike the mid-90s are getting into the adult industry as software programs become easier to understand more and more ‘amateur next door’ websites are starting up hoping to cash in on the porn industry’s success just to pay part of the mortgage. My job allows me to see an overview and cross section of the webmasters both old and new. Despite rumors of millions – the industry itself has at best 8000 webmasters making profits. Financial institutions also are getting into the act by buying up online casino’s and adult related websites. Mainstream interest has given new life and capital to our industry as the ‘boys with the toys’ are prepared to pay top dollar for a piece of the pie. I have been approached several times this year by large investment capital firms wishing to spend millions yet do not have a trusted source within the industry to contact. Soon I would imagine someone is going to create a bridge between the two and offer fair market value and knowledge to these investors for a price.

Concluding we survive now by hope – in our lawyers, our content producers, future technology developments and finally in those who have been around the longest to train and live by example for those younger entering the adult industry hoping to make a name for themselves by braun rather than brain. We need to clamp down on the inner fighting and reunite for the battles ahead of us. Divide and conquer is an old strategy we gladly are doing to ourselves without any effort by politicians, religious and the legal communities. We are spread apart in clumps of sanity and if it continues we will allow our rights to be removed. No one else is to blame but us. We have a free mentality that we deserve to win. Yet there is hope as long as there are webmasters and owners prepared to stand up for those who either can not stand up for themselves or simply hide in the shadows wishing it will all go away. If we want the right to show porn – eventually we will have to show that we ‘deserve’ to have that right. This comes in how we treat our employee’s – competition – unwelcome webmasters and finally our members.

Steal, rob and ignore any of these groups out of arrogance, ignorance - irresponsibility and we open ourselves to regulations - litigations that will hinder our freedoms.

You simply can’t fire an employee because you just don’t happen to like them that day – or they won’t fuck you – or take away your thunder by upstaging you at a party – or someone better comes along so you decrease their salary – or take away their clients.

You simply can’t remove client lists - walk into another job using them as a means to an end. Much less ask new employees to hand over previous lists.

You simply can’t infect your employers system with a virus because you hate them.

You simply can’t not pay your designers or webmasters (shaving included) feeling that ethics and reputation are a thing of the past – or fraud someone out of money.

You simply can’t attempt to ruin someone’s reputation on chat boards – deserving or not.

These (and more like them) are all criminal acts within the mainstream world that will soon be coming in some form or another to the adult industry. Trouble is that we simply do not fear anymore like we did because the money is there to buy our way out – and those without the money simply have no where to turn for assistance if they have been wronged. The mainstream world simply doesn’t take us seriously and usually backs away from such legal actions unless some serious cash is thrown their way.

The future will either be run by politicians and the courts or we will need to create our own ombudsman or group to handle such disagreements so we remain honest in dealing with one another again. We will strive ahead in technology and as the youth enter into this industry they will bring along fresh ideas – as it’s senior members train and mentor them in the way of doing business in an industry that has no training facilities or university degree’s associated with it. Eventually the world will catch up to us as they shed their religious barriers and accept a more forward thinking and acceptance of sexual topics and content. North American is one of the few countries left that has such a backward mentality over sex and the human form. Allowing ourselves to meld with offshore companies and peers we will learn from them that we don’t have a patent on sex – and with their assistance along with a more mature business mentality will start making the money and corporations we all hoped we can.

[Nickatilynx]

I've never considered myself to be in the porn business.

I consider myself to be in the "traffic" business.

Early on I posted on YNOT (97ish) that if I could earn more money sending traffic to "Buy widgets now" , I'd do that.

So thats what I did by about 2004.

A wiseman told me early on... "there is only one thing that is important in this business. Productive TRAFFIC. As long as you have it , you are King."

Its good to be King.

Anthony is sooooo right...us being able to self generate 300-500 joins a day to adult are long gone. Despite my resources and knowledge I couldn't get close to those numbers.

But I can send 30 - 100 joins to nonadult products in a day and actually net more money.

And whilst agreeing with Anthony over most people doing good in Service areas , this is true. But for these service to be required the people at the top need to e making the $$$ to warrant them.

And I see more and more support staff made unemployed and more support staff who would be better of just getting a job.

But there is as the wise man once said "The life blood of this business is traffic , everyone wants it."

[Trixxxia]

When I started 7 years ago, I read alot, I did alot and got ahead and made very good money without really knowing anyone or networking. Forums were vital to me to learn. The top players then, at least with me, weren't reluctant to give suggestions or help me figure out my problem.

I've seen the industry 'deteriorate' to a certain extent. The very reason I came into the business has changed - porn was never the reason.

In 5 years from now, most likely back into the mainstream world - most likely, in another country too and doing this part-time on the side if it still stimulates my mind.

[Nickatilynx]

Plus...

I have 4 kids and , who knows , maybe more on the horizon.

And after consideration I'd rather be known as an email marketer than a porner.

My AVN awards reside in a trunk in the basement ( I think) not on the mantle lol

[latinafind]

I hope the industry sticks together on problematic issues. I suppose each of us has to take nothing for granted. I certainly hope to be around.

[DrGuile]

It's the wrong question...
I would say: "Who are you now?"


I dont care about the faith of adult and what not... (a little, but not vital)

I know in 5 years ill be alright

Wont be running for prime minister, wont be homeless

and that's entirely based on who I am now


faith of the industry wont be anyone's faith...

the people that make money in adult now will continue making money in 5 years (not 100%, but ya know)

people that are borderline bums or make bad decisions, will continue to be bums and idiots

I never had a problem getting good jobs...

[Nickatilynx]

Hmm I was reminded by a friend in icq of this argument.

"What will you be doing in 5 yrs"

Look at your own history.

If you have a track record of suceeding , you probably will
If you have been leaping from failure to disappointment , you will probably continue.

Fortunately I have a great talent for being an opportunist and making $$$ from it. Have for over 20 yrs in 5 or 6 different businesses.
( This talent is for making money is only rivalled by my talen for spending money) ;-))

Therefore in 5 yrs , I'll still be rich.

[Nickatilynx]

The cream will rise and the shit will sink

[qwebecexpo]

Originally posted by TheLegacy
When I first started off mid 90’s in the adult industry everyone was just getting ramped up and sowing new fields...... trunked ......Allowing ourselves to meld with offshore companies and peers we will learn from them that we don’t have a patent on sex – and with their assistance along with a more mature business mentality will start making the money and corporations we all hoped we can.

Wow Robert, these words are very enlightening, thanks for your wisdom man.

This is something we should really think about ...