clemons innocent?

[B O B]

no way

guy is guilty guilty guilty

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by B O B

no way

guy is guilty guilty guilty

And you're basing that on what? Have you seen any evidence? You've heard evidence from the media, that's it.

That's the one thing I must say I was happy to hear today, when the one senator said something along the lines of, "Regardless of what's been seen in the media, this man must be presumed innocent".

Be part of the solution Bob. Not part of the problem.

(Note-I posted elsewhere today that I think some of the questioning is shameful and the answers by BOTH parties evasive, but I don't have enough evidence to judge anyone...and neither do you.)

Was Mike Jones guilty?
Is Rob Black guilty?
Is Max Hardcore guilty?

Other than Mike Jones, noone here can offer an intelligent answer based on anything other than what they've read or seen in the media, and I'm betting people OUTSIDE the industry who kept up with the Mike Jones case assumed he was guilty too. Was that fair?

Sorry man. Don't mean to be snippy, but the influence of the media today is really getting to me. Gotta go...TMZ is on in 5 minutes. ;P

[B O B]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

And you're basing that on what? Have you seen any evidence? You've heard evidence from the media, that's it.

That's the one thing I must say I was happy to hear today, when the one senator said something along the lines of, "Regardless of what's been seen in the media, this man must be presumed innocent".

Be part of the solution Bob. Not part of the problem.

(Note-I posted elsewhere today that I think some of the questioning is shameful and the answers by BOTH parties evasive, but I don't have enough evidence to judge anyone...and neither do you.)

Was Mike Jones guilty?
Is Rob Black guilty?
Is Max Hardcore guilty?

Other than Mike Jones, noone here can offer an intelligent answer based on anything other than what they've read or seen in the media, and I'm betting people OUTSIDE the industry who kept up with the Mike Jones case assumed he was guilty too. Was that fair?

Sorry man. Don't mean to be snippy, but the influence of the media today is really getting to me. Gotta go...TMZ is on in 5 minutes. ;P

lets just see what the DNA shows

the facts of his career are similar to those of someone who took roids
and mcnamee, nor pettite has reason to lie...

time will play this out, but in the meantime, in my mind, he is guilty

[Ronaldo]

Originally Posted by B O B

lets just see what the DNA shows

the facts of his career are similar to those of someone who took roids
and mcnamee, nor pettite has reason to lie...

time will play this out, but in the meantime, in my mind, he is guilty

Absolutely. And to be honest, from what I'VE heard in the media, the guy sounds guilty too. But I think he deserves the right to have his day in court before anyone says he's guilty without any doubt.

I don't know if McNamee or Pettitte have any motivation to lie. I wouldn't think so, but I wouldn't have thought Bob Crane would have any reason to lie about anything either. Who knows WHAT goes on behind closed doors.

[B O B]

Originally Posted by Ronaldo

Absolutely. And to be honest, from what I'VE heard in the media, the guy sounds guilty too. But I think he deserves the right to have his day in court before anyone says he's guilty without any doubt.

I don't know if McNamee or Pettitte have any motivation to lie. I wouldn't think so, but I wouldn't have thought Bob Crane would have any reason to lie about anything either. Who knows WHAT goes on behind closed doors.

the question here was *do you think he is guilty*

my answer was YES...thats what i think...

doesnt mean he is or isnt...or the press influenced me, or i saw him do it personally...

my thoughts are that he is guilty at this point.

btw...his wife admitted to getting injected with HGH and never told Roger...now PUHLEASE your husband is a world class athlete, you are a stay at home mother, and you dont ask or gather advice from your husband before you shoot a then, untested, chemical in your ass?

i dont buy that one either

anyways...i think the man is guilty...I wish he wasnt, I really do...