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					Originally Posted by Vid Vicious   |    Great pic babe! lol BTW Sorry I missed you on Saturday. We should try and get together soon! |  
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		|  12-16-2009, 09:00 AM | #4 |  
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					Originally Posted by rhetorical  That is one ugly picture.... |  yes... very.
 
The fingernails are almost as ugly as that shrivelled up unit. 
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		|  12-16-2009, 10:21 AM | #5 |  
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 it's art  .. your all a bunch of weak weak men .. LOL   ... and because of those comments .. I submit    
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		|  12-16-2009, 01:39 PM | #6 |  
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					Originally Posted by Vid Vicious  it's art  .. your all a bunch of weak weak men .. LOL   ... and because of those comments .. I submit    
for discussion |  If you have to point out that its art.....is ain't.  The only thing it is is lit. 
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		|  12-16-2009, 03:53 PM | #7 |  
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		|  12-17-2009, 01:13 PM | #9 |  
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		|  12-17-2009, 07:07 PM | #10 |  
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 the art I can see, fetish to have ones nuts squished with painted toes, but OUCH! |  
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		|  12-22-2009, 12:41 PM | #11 |  
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					Originally Posted by rhetorical  If you have to point out that its art.....is ain't.  The only thing it is is lit.No offense, but if you are after discussion.....
 |  you might not see it as art .. Mainly cus your Vanilla .. Fetishists and sadist however do see it as art .. I've posted this on Fetish sites and they all loved it .. 
 
you tend to generalize your posts ... not everyone thinks like you, An opion is just that an opinion not a fact ... .. nor is everyone vanilla ..   |  
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		|  12-22-2009, 07:28 PM | #12 |  
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 Vid Vicious is an artist and nobody can tell me otherwise.
 However I don't get this ball stomping thing at all. I understand fet and bdsm and pleasure pain thing but that is just too damn painful in my book.
 
 I suppose after 3 or 4 kicks the body might go into some sort of minor shock from the pain and then it's not painful anymore but rather pleasurable but I bet the dude is sorry for the rest of the week.
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		|  12-22-2009, 08:16 PM | #13 |  
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					Originally Posted by Vid Vicious  you might not see it as art .. Mainly cus your Vanilla .. Fetishists and sadist however do see it as art .. I've posted this on Fetish sites and they all loved it ..  
you tend to generalize your posts ... not everyone thinks like you, An opion is just that an opinion not a fact ... .. nor is everyone vanilla ..   |  Dude, You are vanilla. That piccie was vanilla.  No offense.  But I have been around that block many times to know.  I think maybe you "think" you get it.  I lived it long enough to know what you call fetish was not for me. When you see the real deal and the blood splattering and the needle play up close and personal, you might have a better idea. I run fetish sites of my own and have done since before you were in the biz I believe. 
You need an education on what fetish is. 
Really, no offense, just my opinion having seen your work. 
High contrast lighting do not make art.  If you want an education in art, perhaps you should study Helmut Newton who is the master of what you are trying to achieve.  In our little world of porn, you may stand out.  But you and I know the real world.
 
edit:  Its art when the non fetishists love it.  Fetishists love jack off material.			 Last edited by rhetorical; 12-22-2009 at 08:25 PM.
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		|  12-23-2009, 10:59 AM | #15 |  
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		|  12-23-2009, 11:55 AM | #16 |  
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 Vid IS an artist.  He's been a photographer WAY before he was in the industry.  He has the experience and I've seen his work over many many years and he knows his shit.  I always enjoy his pictures.  Yes everyone has different taste and opinions, but there should be no doubt of Mike's credentials and talent.
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		|  12-23-2009, 01:43 PM | #17 |  
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					Originally Posted by Funbrunette  Vid IS an artist.  He's been a photographer WAY before he was in the industry.  He has the experience and I've seen his work over many many years and he knows his shit.  I always enjoy his pictures.  Yes everyone has different taste and opinions, but there should be no doubt of Mike's credentials and talent.
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 |  There are very few photographers who are artists.  Here is one...
http://www.ocaiw.com/galleria_fotogr...&author=newton 
These pics are just the tip of the Newton iceberg.  Research more if you like.  He did many Vogue covers as well as others.   
Or, try Terry Richardson...again a very minor part of his work. Many mag covers as well
http://www.terryrichardson.com/ 
This stuff is a long, long way from backlit squished balls.  Sorry, FB.
 
Not that I don't think his work is good, but no where near art.  That is my point.
 
I have been in the photography business longer than anyone on this board and most in this business and I don't consider myself an artist, but I am really fucking good at making a living out of taking pictures. |  
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		|  12-24-2009, 05:57 PM | #20 |  
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 I have a bachelors of art in creative arts .. An Undergraduate in Television Broadcasting I have had several gallery showings for my paintings over the 20 years ago  Ans have shot for several magazines. LOL
 
 I have my fetish art printed in the top two fet magazines in the world .
 I sell my Fetish art in three Montreal Designer stores and am looking at a gallery showing for 2010.. I have 5 prints going to a showing in NYC @ a fet store there.
 
 I had my first showing this past year, with great success .. (for fetish)
 
 
 Umm what else is there . Oh yah I don't have one fet website .. I've create content for several .. Also I am presently working on a education series with TES.
 oh and finnishing up my Pro Dom Mentoring in febuary ..
 
 You were saying?  Artist .. Do you understand the defenition. I live the life .. seems to me you only webmaster it
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 Wiktionary defines the noun 'artist' (Singular: artist; Plural: artists) as follows:
 1. A person who creates art.
 2. A person who creates art as an occupation.
 3. A person who is skilled at some activity.
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		| 1. A person who creates art. |  That is the point.  As to the rest of it, its creative.  Its a type of fetish. But it ain't art. Perhaps you may have somewhere created art in your past, but this little snapshot ain't it. 
As for those degrees, they don't create artists.  Hell I have worked for the best there is in television, and have all that shit, but I would never consider myself an artist.  As for wiktionary definitions, they are whatever the fuck you want them to be. 
If you think you have the talent of Helmut Newton, that would be your opinion.  And perhaps you do.  But not in that picture that you present as art.  Its pretty obvious to me. 
 The "what is art" debate is older than the traffic vs content debate.  My brother in law loves black velvet nudes and he thinks they are art.  
 
Art should surprise, delight, and/or reveal something beyond the image portrayed.  Visceral reactions don't qualify.  Any goof with a camera can do that.
 
No offense to you or the pictures you take to make a living.  Anyone who can actually make a living taking pictures is very lucky.  My focus is on this picture. |  
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